And you appear to have conveniently overlooked my point that therapies and groups are preparations, not ends in themselves. (But then, you would, wouldn’t you?).

Likewise, you again choose to ignore what I said about the foolishness of thinking one’s own experience applies to everyone (first lines of my previous post to you).

So, you listen to your own apparently inflated sense of ‘self’, ignoring or not even bothering to consider what is put to you. While simply copying my disparaging remarks, like a silly little boy.

Given the poor impression you continue to make here, your professed zeal for meditation doesn’t appear to have produced much of worth, I’m afraid. In fact, if, in ‘real life’, you’re anything like you appear to be here, then I think you’d be very well advised to do a group or two to learn how others see you and hopefully to drain off some of your conceit.

Lokesh was on the right lines about you, sir.

Why Osho did not do any therapies groups?

It means it is just a play thing fit for westerners like you?

Take any simple Osho Meditation, it does all clearing one’s space, freeing from crippling fears, releasing energy, and helping us live a more authentic life, free of inner handicaps! This I am telling from my own personal experience! And it can be done free sitting at my home!

And yes Therapies and groups – such activities “do not have their own place even near the foothills of inner search”. If they had a place really, then Osho and so many eastern mystics would have recommended! Sure if millions in east got enlightened without such practices, they are clearly not deserve foot hill!

Satyadeva, tell me how many got enlightened by such practices! None, no hope!

Let me introduce you to Osho’s take on few very simple meditation practices which made millions enlightened!
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-my-meditation-is-simple-no-need-of-costly-groups-therapies-at-pune/500682920027379
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-a-man-of-awareness-no-need-of-costly-groups-and-therapies-at-pune/500678400027831
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-real-communication-happens-in-silence-no-need-of-costly-groups-and-therapie/500527733376231
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-on-nine-qualities-of-his-sannyasins-no-need-of-costly-therapies-and-groups-/496967837065554
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-21-day-experiment-in-silence-and-seclusion-no-need-of-costly-groups-and-the/496909653738039
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-be-aware-when-the-breath-is-going-in-move-with-it-and-when-the-breath-is-go/501827029912968
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-place-your-whole-attention-in-the-nerve-delicate-as-the-lotus-thread-in-the/501833876578950
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-at-the-start-of-sexual-union-keep-attentive-on-the-fire-in-the-beginning-an/501840303244974
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bodh-ekantam/osho-feel-the-fine-qualities-of-creativity-permeating-your-breasts-and-assuming-/501843589911312

Satyadeva, your posts too often betray the smugness of an extrovert westerner! Poor westerner, could not go deep in any method of Osho! Can’t drown in one thing! Too much extrovertness! Will need to make so much jumping, hue and cry with many others of similar extroverted nature persons – to get to become quiet! Any easterner does it so naturally!

It’s Osho’s compassion at the extrovert westerners like you that he allowed you to play with such practices hoping that some day they will be able to come to terms with reality that meditation is very simple!

Satyadeva, regarding “such practices like therapies and groups” – Just tell me what Osho has said – how many got enlightened with it!

And Satyadeva, see your own smugness, you are suggesting me a couple of groups to get over my apparent addiction to exclamation mark!

Why donot you suggest yourself a couple of groups and few individual sessions to help you see and dissolve the root cause of your apparent aversion to the exclamation mark?

This is typical of A westerner monkey! Always jumping from one place to another ! Never be able to keep quiet and go in! Even in the name of going in, It needs jumping here and there in groups!

So satyadeva, do share with me if you are able to get over your aversion to exclamation marks with your couple of groups and a few individual sessions!

And please tell me what you did in those groups and individual sessions!

And yes how much did it cost you to get over your aversion to exclamations marks!

If you reach so far then you suggest it to me!

But your premature suggestion shows your western immaturity and smugness !

“Too much missing’ in you, old man, (definitely in the right places ..brain)

Many people, some more, some less, benefit from a certain amount of exposure to such groups and therapies, which ideally, help to clear one’s space, free us from crippling fears, releasing energy and helping us live a more authentic life, free-er of inner handicaps, and as such are an excellent preparation for meditation. Not everyone benefits all the time, of course, which I know from personal experience, but ‘that’s life’, as the saying goes, there ain’t no guarantees, innit?

If such activities “do not have their own place even near the foothills of inner search”, then please explain why Osho introduced them in his movement and allowed them to become practised in his name, all over the world.

Are you sure you’re not merely parrotting a certain pseudo-master again?

Moreover, Osho’s own meditations, eg dynamic, kundalini etc. which you cite as ‘the real deal’, also themselves mostly tend to be ‘preparations’ for real meditation, do they not?

Ekantam, your posts too often betray the rather smug arrogance of a true beginner. May I suggest you do at least a couple of groups, perhaps also a few individual sessions, to help you see and dissolve the root cause of your apparent addiction to the exclamation mark? It’s glaring evidence of an inner imbalance that clearly needs to be addressed forthwith.

‘Too much arising’ in you, young man (probably in the wrong places)….

Your comment is ridiculous and hilarious!

I am saying it again!

All so called therapies and groups are no match at all of basic meditations like Dynamic Kundalini Naadbrahma etc !

Osho himself did not do any therapy and group and rose to pinnacle of inner search!

Such is the uselessness of Therapy and groups!

Only way they are better than simple meditations are that they bring a lot of moolah if you become a group leader and therapist!

Therapy and groups do not have their own place even near the foot hills of inner search!

my user name allowed is
bodh ekantam

Thanks

However, if you still don’t get it then that would be a fair indicator of the stage of life where you’re at, endorsing my and others’ comments to and about you.

Regarding our last discussion, it seems SN decided enough was enough, but if you care to remind me what you were saying I’ll see if it’s worth responding to, ok?

You did not still answer my questions?

Why you have used Osho’s Picture when it is all about expressing your thought as you please? Does it reflect any maturity!

Why you call this site Sannyas News! When it is not any way related to Sannyas! Can you find any maturity here!

How do you define Maturity?

Can there be maturity before beginning of mystical search?

If yes, what you will call that which is added to you during mystical search as it grows deeper?

What is “Being a light unto Oneself”?

What is Light you are referring to?

Maturity has come to you – How you have rushed to this judgment?

What maturity you have Parmartha?

Give few examples please to demonstrate it!

If maturity is the first step on the mystical path then what is the last step on it ?

Who is to say whether you are in someway drifted apart from Osho than me or anyone else?

Is it possible for you NOT to rush to judgement about maturity and mystical path..

And yes Parmartha, Who am I! I am a lover, friend and disciple of Osho!

Is that inadequate?

Are you more than that?

Whatever you are more than that – what significance it has on the mystical path?

Why you have rushed to this conclusion – that I do not have guts to own myself and become a member here?

Have you told me the process to become a member, Have you ever suggested that to me?

Can you see the immaturity of your post!

Apart from the immature conclusions and immature advice which you have packed in your reply, Is there anything else?

How old are you?

Is there any Osho Fire left in you?

Does that fire express it or not?

Can you show me where is that fire in your posts?

Your response is assuming that you are standing at a high point?

I will not take that assumption without proof of that?

All your so called comments carry no meaning if there is no proof of your height!

What is value of your intellect on the mystical path?

It is very difficult – I suspect you are one of those ninetynine percent of disciples who the Osho is referring to, as the reason of not declaring enlightenment of his disciples! Because they have just his words, no inner experience , just blaah blaah of terms they hardly know!

Just define these words which you used

Self Reflection
Self Consciousness
Other life experiences and their importance in inner journey
Passionate young disciple vs Cold Old disciple and how the latter is better
Your personal standards how I should communicate
Any absurdity you have discovered within your thought process and expression

I am sure, I am not getting any reply to it!

In case, you happen to define it, give few examples from your own life and conduct of these terms!

Last time also you had run away from discussion!

Seems you have just a big set of terms which you can not even define, that is the only experience you have!

But your first point is fair enough.