Comments on: Naturalism and contrasting National Psyches

By: frank

frank — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:31:33 +0000

rumi was a definitely a dogger..
that “field of wrongdoing”is on hampstead heath

things are not as they seem
neither are they otherwise.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:50:12 +0000

I took Fresch to mean by creative, that the more you do do it,
and I don’t see it as possible to do it any other way than as described, its so fucking challenging,
every day starts to feel different,
and then in my case, after about three months it began to happen by itself, I suppose I got past the effort , or something like that.
I began to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:32:53 +0000

Agreed, Arpana, 5 or 10 minutes gibberish – ideally with body movements – followed by silence, is very good medicine.

Also, for me, dynamic should be done exactly as prescribed, otherwise it’s just almost a sort of “sport”, as Vartan said, just a bio-energetically-oriented physical exercise.

At its most powerful I recall there was no question of being consciously “creative”, the energy just took me over and ‘did its job’, as it were…

Ah yes, dynamic was the making of me and my generation…You lot these days don’t know the meaning of fast, deep, chaotic breathing, you’re just a bunch of spoiled softies! When I was your age I’d be up before dawn, seven days a week, rain or shine, out there breathing, yelling and hoo-ing like a good ‘un! Nowadays, that’s all disappeared, it’s gone all “creative” – I blame the bloody yuppies myself.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:37:10 +0000

Frank makes things up you know Dom.
Honestly he does.
Its a shock isn’t it.?!

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:35:40 +0000

I was but a lad then.

Gibberish is good if you find those
heavy duty routines to much.

Five minutes gibberish,
followed by five minutes vippassana.

You will be amazed how powerful and effective that is.

By: Fresch

Fresch — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 12:53:31 +0000

Varty, dynamic is inner art, therefor so much variety..
Shantam, what is action for you?
I start being clever when i do not put my self over my comfortzone.happens all the time.

By: bodhi vartan

bodhi vartan — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 12:09:53 +0000

Arpana says:
>> You’ve obviously not done much dynamic then Varty,

Not much. I do more now than in those days. I probably need it more now …

>> (Every day for six months before you ask.)

I am a window-shopper compared to you. Maybe my body is more delicate. I don’t know. My body has tons of energy when I need it, but I find it difficult to get it to do anything when it’s not absolutely necessary.

My argument is that meditation is meant to provoke creativity and contentment so as long as I am happyish (which I am when frank is not picking at my kebab levels) and creating, the rest is by the by.

By: dominic

dominic — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 22:12:40 +0000

“Disheartening”
Just coming so soon after Rumi’s gay icon revelations. Ok I could get behind that, but now this. Still it’s a good thing to be disillusioned, though I won’t sleep tonite.
We clearly need a more authentic translation of his work.

“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field and a kebab shop. I’ll meet you there.
When I fall down in the grass,
I’m too full to talk much.
Ideas, language, even the phrase “each other”, can’t be assed.”.

By: shantam prem

shantam prem — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:59:46 +0000

Fresch, can you give me one two examples of people in action?

Once International sales managers of H&M are selling towels on their pick ups to the tourists in Ibiza; if someone wants to give them the award of “Entrepreneurs of the Year”, who am I to oppose?

By: Arpana

Arpana — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:08:49 +0000

You’ve obviously not done much dynamic then Varty,

(Every day for six months before you ask.)