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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One look at the devious minds of people who were top dogs in Rajneeshpuram, shows how all this was inevitable. I believe (because I wasn&#039;t there) that there was a team of Lawyers close to Rajneesh there who would visciously attack (legally) anyone outside who tries to scupper their plans? I&#039;ve even seen video of the time from some of those lawyers, making blatant threats (and one of them was a thinly veiled death threat to local civil servants). 

And then there is the &#039;internal&#039; police state of Rajneeshpuram itself, with Sanyassin&#039;s every word being monitored for signs of dissent (with the risk of being chucked out).  With such people at the top of the ladder then, it&#039;s no surprise that the same tactics are being used again today and still against other Sanyassins who object. 

It has been over 10 years since I went to Pune International, but I remember this syndrome one day when I was walking in that park close to the ashram. I picked up a chair that was lying around, and brought it a little further down the path to a nice area. One little Nazi that ran the gardening there and who had a bunch of Indian men under his charge treating them like dogs,had a go at me for moving the chair. I objected, and he issued a threat that he&#039;d have me banned from visiting the Ashram. I couldn&#039;t believe what I was hearing. It was quite a wake up call.

He wanted my name and other details, like a ltitle Gestapo. I think he was from the States of Canada. I simply ignored him and told him I wasn&#039;t going to comply. He didn&#039;t have a leg to stand on, but it did wake me up very early on to how there are some seriously messed up people who manouever their way into positions of any powere there, so that they can enact their latent desires for control of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One look at the devious minds of people who were top dogs in Rajneeshpuram, shows how all this was inevitable. I believe (because I wasn&#8217;t there) that there was a team of Lawyers close to Rajneesh there who would visciously attack (legally) anyone outside who tries to scupper their plans? I&#8217;ve even seen video of the time from some of those lawyers, making blatant threats (and one of them was a thinly veiled death threat to local civil servants). </p>
<p>And then there is the &#8216;internal&#8217; police state of Rajneeshpuram itself, with Sanyassin&#8217;s every word being monitored for signs of dissent (with the risk of being chucked out).  With such people at the top of the ladder then, it&#8217;s no surprise that the same tactics are being used again today and still against other Sanyassins who object. </p>
<p>It has been over 10 years since I went to Pune International, but I remember this syndrome one day when I was walking in that park close to the ashram. I picked up a chair that was lying around, and brought it a little further down the path to a nice area. One little Nazi that ran the gardening there and who had a bunch of Indian men under his charge treating them like dogs,had a go at me for moving the chair. I objected, and he issued a threat that he&#8217;d have me banned from visiting the Ashram. I couldn&#8217;t believe what I was hearing. It was quite a wake up call.</p>
<p>He wanted my name and other details, like a ltitle Gestapo. I think he was from the States of Canada. I simply ignored him and told him I wasn&#8217;t going to comply. He didn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on, but it did wake me up very early on to how there are some seriously messed up people who manouever their way into positions of any powere there, so that they can enact their latent desires for control of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Swami Bodhi Jacques</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami Bodhi Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, someone list the names of the so called inner circle?  Why do they not appear!  Mulla Nasrudin is waiting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, someone list the names of the so called inner circle?  Why do they not appear!  Mulla Nasrudin is waiting!</p>
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		<title>By: Swami Bodhi Jacques</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami Bodhi Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amendment-  It is not a new inner circle, He is no longer in his body, so he does not need an inner circle, It is a circle.  A circle claiming....
Or is it not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amendment-  It is not a new inner circle, He is no longer in his body, so he does not need an inner circle, It is a circle.  A circle claiming&#8230;.<br />
Or is it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Swami Bodhi Jacques</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami Bodhi Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nitty Greedy -- I skipped a great deal of  messages, so forgive me,  This situation was to be expected, - It is a Corporate take over, Now even with the US decision, the new inner circle will be managing quite well internationally.  THE Essence of  HIS books, which I supposed were approved...
That is what we do not want to loose, or do we?
The history of religion show again and again this sort of phenomena.  Once the Master leaves his body, all kinds of opportunists see and seize a business.  
Swami Bodhi Jacques]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitty Greedy &#8212; I skipped a great deal of  messages, so forgive me,  This situation was to be expected, &#8211; It is a Corporate take over, Now even with the US decision, the new inner circle will be managing quite well internationally.  THE Essence of  HIS books, which I supposed were approved&#8230;<br />
That is what we do not want to loose, or do we?<br />
The history of religion show again and again this sort of phenomena.  Once the Master leaves his body, all kinds of opportunists see and seize a business.<br />
Swami Bodhi Jacques</p>
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		<title>By: Swami Prem Kamal</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-1011</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami Prem Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is so sad to see the greed and lust for power being associated or connected with Osho--have people not learned anything from him? There is something very special about finding Osho&#039;s books from the early 70&#039;s--I search for them via the net--I am thankful for the site that offers many for free via download. The recent compilations are not my cup of tea--but--they are a way of getting Osho&#039;s teachings and insights out to a generation that is in desperate need.Then again--a book I love so much and give to others who are new to Osho is-- The Long and The Short and The All--which as we all know is a compilation.
Love!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so sad to see the greed and lust for power being associated or connected with Osho&#8211;have people not learned anything from him? There is something very special about finding Osho&#8217;s books from the early 70&#8242;s&#8211;I search for them via the net&#8211;I am thankful for the site that offers many for free via download. The recent compilations are not my cup of tea&#8211;but&#8211;they are a way of getting Osho&#8217;s teachings and insights out to a generation that is in desperate need.Then again&#8211;a book I love so much and give to others who are new to Osho is&#8211; The Long and The Short and The All&#8211;which as we all know is a compilation.<br />
Love!</p>
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		<title>By: deva sugit</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>deva sugit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anand,

as i&#039;m sure you know, he was poisoned in the oklahoma city jail. from then on, he suffered in various ways until his death. but he walked until very near the end. (he went into silence publically much before). he was very fragile tho and in the last video of him in buddha hall he almost looked like he would fall over, however as he namasted every step or 2 he was perfectly still, standing, all the way around the front of the podium and back and then left.

as far back as almost 10 years ago 15 of the original 21 members of the inner circle had left. i dont know about since then.

originally jayesh was chairman, amrito vice-chairman and anando secretary. whatever that meant, since all decisions were to be unanimous.

osho said the original 21 were named for life or until they chose to leave. that replacements would be named by unanimous decision of the remaining members. 

anything is possible, but i don&#039;t think manipulation went on while osho was still in the body. he originally watched meetings of a few people, and instructed/commented. as he wanted to &#039;retire&#039; from this type of work/decision making. eventually he named the full 21.

sugit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anand,</p>
<p>as i&#8217;m sure you know, he was poisoned in the oklahoma city jail. from then on, he suffered in various ways until his death. but he walked until very near the end. (he went into silence publically much before). he was very fragile tho and in the last video of him in buddha hall he almost looked like he would fall over, however as he namasted every step or 2 he was perfectly still, standing, all the way around the front of the podium and back and then left.</p>
<p>as far back as almost 10 years ago 15 of the original 21 members of the inner circle had left. i dont know about since then.</p>
<p>originally jayesh was chairman, amrito vice-chairman and anando secretary. whatever that meant, since all decisions were to be unanimous.</p>
<p>osho said the original 21 were named for life or until they chose to leave. that replacements would be named by unanimous decision of the remaining members. </p>
<p>anything is possible, but i don&#8217;t think manipulation went on while osho was still in the body. he originally watched meetings of a few people, and instructed/commented. as he wanted to &#8216;retire&#8217; from this type of work/decision making. eventually he named the full 21.</p>
<p>sugit</p>
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		<title>By: Anand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi  Deva,

Can you tell me how many of the 21 are still left from whom Osho chose? Did he choose a leader of the 21 as well?

Did Osho announce their selection or did one of the inner circle announce this?

How was Osho&#039;s health around this time? I heard at one point Osho could not even walk to Buddha Hall.

And from a critical and valid skeptical standpoint,
Could Osho in his frail, weak and  ill position been manipulated by a clever few?

Love,
Anand]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi  Deva,</p>
<p>Can you tell me how many of the 21 are still left from whom Osho chose? Did he choose a leader of the 21 as well?</p>
<p>Did Osho announce their selection or did one of the inner circle announce this?</p>
<p>How was Osho&#8217;s health around this time? I heard at one point Osho could not even walk to Buddha Hall.</p>
<p>And from a critical and valid skeptical standpoint,<br />
Could Osho in his frail, weak and  ill position been manipulated by a clever few?</p>
<p>Love,<br />
Anand</p>
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		<title>By: deva sugit</title>
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		<dc:creator>deva sugit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i appreciate all views and comments.

osho did name the inner circle when he was alive. he picked the 21 people and gave the name. for management, of course, not in any spiritual authority/capacity.

love,
sugit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i appreciate all views and comments.</p>
<p>osho did name the inner circle when he was alive. he picked the 21 people and gave the name. for management, of course, not in any spiritual authority/capacity.</p>
<p>love,<br />
sugit</p>
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		<title>By: amrito</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/266#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>amrito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These...what-ifs...they are slowly becommin &quot;what-the-fucks&quot;.

Really, when Buddha left his body some 2500 years ago, who would have guessed he would reach to places like Tibet, China, Japan, Sri Lanka, Thai Land and Afghanistan.

I&#039;m pretty sure Tibet and Japan probably would be shaking hands if they had met each other at that point in history---they may have dismissed each other for their mis-interpretations of Budhha;s message.

But still, Tibet created many mystics and enlightened ones, so did Japan, Sri Lanka and South-East Asia.

So hasn&#039;t the maturity come from anyone that Osho is simply going to new places but indeed, its Osho. Who knows when his fragrance may wither away, but its only been some 19 years since he left his body...and I can certainly feel a whisp of fresh air.

Those who say Osho&#039;s gone, dead, in the history books...Its an ignorant stand that gets the applause of so-called &quot;Progressive&quot; spiritualists who run to anyone alive other than back to Osho.

But, really...Osho is more alive now than ever, because while Osho was alive people could only see Osho in fragments---talking about Zen sometimes, Tantra sometimes, Jesus sometimes...and anti-jesus sometimes!

So they went step by step believing the next step Osho took was the real, the final---this was Osho at his truest etc... So in the finishing discourses in Buddha Hall, Osho talked about Zen---the only way. And now we have a &quot;ZEN&quot; resort (Zen Resorts Limited). 

But now, anyone who dives into Osho doesn&#039; t dive the same as people who were with Osho---they dive into the ocean of Osho. I have available all of Osho, free to choose and choiceless: Zen, Tantra, Sufisim....all.

But its easier to embibe him now---Osho is a witnessing conciousness behind all subjects or theories..

So he is alive now, fresh now, available now. Those who are thirsty can still drink...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These&#8230;what-ifs&#8230;they are slowly becommin &#8220;what-the-fucks&#8221;.</p>
<p>Really, when Buddha left his body some 2500 years ago, who would have guessed he would reach to places like Tibet, China, Japan, Sri Lanka, Thai Land and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Tibet and Japan probably would be shaking hands if they had met each other at that point in history&#8212;they may have dismissed each other for their mis-interpretations of Budhha;s message.</p>
<p>But still, Tibet created many mystics and enlightened ones, so did Japan, Sri Lanka and South-East Asia.</p>
<p>So hasn&#8217;t the maturity come from anyone that Osho is simply going to new places but indeed, its Osho. Who knows when his fragrance may wither away, but its only been some 19 years since he left his body&#8230;and I can certainly feel a whisp of fresh air.</p>
<p>Those who say Osho&#8217;s gone, dead, in the history books&#8230;Its an ignorant stand that gets the applause of so-called &#8220;Progressive&#8221; spiritualists who run to anyone alive other than back to Osho.</p>
<p>But, really&#8230;Osho is more alive now than ever, because while Osho was alive people could only see Osho in fragments&#8212;talking about Zen sometimes, Tantra sometimes, Jesus sometimes&#8230;and anti-jesus sometimes!</p>
<p>So they went step by step believing the next step Osho took was the real, the final&#8212;this was Osho at his truest etc&#8230; So in the finishing discourses in Buddha Hall, Osho talked about Zen&#8212;the only way. And now we have a &#8220;ZEN&#8221; resort (Zen Resorts Limited). </p>
<p>But now, anyone who dives into Osho doesn&#8217; t dive the same as people who were with Osho&#8212;they dive into the ocean of Osho. I have available all of Osho, free to choose and choiceless: Zen, Tantra, Sufisim&#8230;.all.</p>
<p>But its easier to embibe him now&#8212;Osho is a witnessing conciousness behind all subjects or theories..</p>
<p>So he is alive now, fresh now, available now. Those who are thirsty can still drink&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heraclitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heraclitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Osho never had an inner circle when he was alive, or not one he named. He certainly had an organisation, and it passed from Sheela to the &quot;house&quot; people in 1985. They were joined by Anando and the like.
I am sure if he was alive now all the various people we remark on here would still be involved with him,  - and at whatever base he was physically located. This may not have been Poona, at the time of his death much talk was about settling in Italy.  
People like Arun, Keerti, Dhanyam, etc would definitely not be banned, but of course they would be following the party line as they understood it from Osho! As they did when he was alive....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osho never had an inner circle when he was alive, or not one he named. He certainly had an organisation, and it passed from Sheela to the &#8220;house&#8221; people in 1985. They were joined by Anando and the like.<br />
I am sure if he was alive now all the various people we remark on here would still be involved with him,  &#8211; and at whatever base he was physically located. This may not have been Poona, at the time of his death much talk was about settling in Italy.<br />
People like Arun, Keerti, Dhanyam, etc would definitely not be banned, but of course they would be following the party line as they understood it from Osho! As they did when he was alive&#8230;.</p>
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