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		<title>By: roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SD,
He won&#039;t let it go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD,<br />
He won&#8217;t let it go.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31656</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Red Pradas, just like the Pope, eh? My God, wait till Preetam gets hold of this one....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Pradas, just like the Pope, eh? My God, wait till Preetam gets hold of this one&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: roman</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31650</link>
		<dc:creator>roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SD, 
Doctor Death and I were discussing this problem/quandary just the other night as it turns out. I was just refilling his glass with a bit of ale when he broached the subject of how difficult it is being a Master. 

Doctor D, who was very tired after a hard day, lit up a spliff, blew some smoke rings and said, &#039;Shit, Roman, people expect so much from me. They have this idea that I&#039;m something that I&#039;m not. They presume, because of what they&#039;ve heard, that I&#039;m somehow beyond knowing.&#039; 
Dr.D then kicked off his shoes, which in case you are interested, are the identical shoes that the Pope wears - red Pradas. He then nodded off.  

To be continued.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD,<br />
Doctor Death and I were discussing this problem/quandary just the other night as it turns out. I was just refilling his glass with a bit of ale when he broached the subject of how difficult it is being a Master. </p>
<p>Doctor D, who was very tired after a hard day, lit up a spliff, blew some smoke rings and said, &#8216;Shit, Roman, people expect so much from me. They have this idea that I&#8217;m something that I&#8217;m not. They presume, because of what they&#8217;ve heard, that I&#8217;m somehow beyond knowing.&#8217;<br />
Dr.D then kicked off his shoes, which in case you are interested, are the identical shoes that the Pope wears &#8211; red Pradas. He then nodded off.  </p>
<p>To be continued.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31644</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, very simply, Roman, only a fool would choose to miss out on a chance to learn from a benign source.

But since when were Masters always &#039;benign&#039; or non-authoritarian? Don&#039;t they often challenge their people and do their best to penetrate their often too thick skins? Look at the sort of mills Osho used to put many of his people through, for example! What about blows with &#039;Zen sticks&#039;?

Osho and others have stated that the very existence of a community of a Master and the people drawn to him implies a sort of &#039;dictatorship&#039;, certainly not a &#039;democracy&#039; anyway. A sort of &#039;dictatorship of consciousness&#039;, one might say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, very simply, Roman, only a fool would choose to miss out on a chance to learn from a benign source.</p>
<p>But since when were Masters always &#8216;benign&#8217; or non-authoritarian? Don&#8217;t they often challenge their people and do their best to penetrate their often too thick skins? Look at the sort of mills Osho used to put many of his people through, for example! What about blows with &#8216;Zen sticks&#8217;?</p>
<p>Osho and others have stated that the very existence of a community of a Master and the people drawn to him implies a sort of &#8216;dictatorship&#8217;, certainly not a &#8216;democracy&#8217; anyway. A sort of &#8216;dictatorship of consciousness&#8217;, one might say.</p>
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		<title>By: roman</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31561</link>
		<dc:creator>roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adults do defer to authoritarian leaders, particularly in times of crisis. Large groups have blindly trusted authoritarian leaders such as: Molosevic, Stalin, Hitler, Nixon, Ataturk, Hussein and Bin Laden. Most of these guys promoted ethnic violence and terrorism. Nationalism is habituated in one at an early age. As Aristotle points out, all children are habituated in a certain manner. Some better than others. Aristotle pointed out that Spartan children were habituated to become warriors, whilst Athenian males were habituated to engage in debate and dialogue. I think Aristotle would reply to the charge of brainwashing that some cultures brainwash better than others. A brainwashed Buddhist is better than a brainwashed Nazi adolescent.

One also can defer to a person who isn&#039;t authoritarian. Socrates was a lover of wisdom and stressed the importance of dialogue. One learnt from him, as shown in Plato&#039;s early texts. It is also interesting how young Nazis were habituated to see women ( Klaus Theweleit &#039;Male Fantasies&#039; - a large two volume brilliant study). A positive example of habituation is learning to play the sitar. It isn&#039;t easy at first, but with practice and under the guidance of a &#039;master&#039;, it becomes creative and joyful. So we can have mentors, gurus, teachers who are not necessarily authoritarian. Some like Socrates are egalitarian in the true sense, others maybe liberal or conservative.

Intersting how Marx and Freud researched Aristotle. Marx wrote a doctorate on him and wanted to extend Aristotle&#039;s notion of equal citizenship to all humans. Freud was interested in how civilization could protect humans from destructive instincts ( &#039;Civilization and its Discontents&#039;). He was prophetic when it came to Hitler and may have walked past him, in the streets of Vienna, before he got to England and his sisters were gassed. 

Freud stressed that one could be a mentor without being authoritarian. One could hardly say that Freud was authoritarian when compared to Hitler. Fromm, Freud&#039;s disciple, wrote about authoritarian patriarchal culture and stressed that mentors don&#039;t have to be this way. Gurus may be parental substitutes but they needn&#039;t be. By the way, even politicians have to defer to the motorcycle cop who becomes a parental figure when you are caught speeding.

So mentors like Socrates and other teachers may force you to think. They may nourish you. By delimiting the role of all gurus one also may be revealing one&#039;s own limitations and missing out on the opportunity to flourish, as Aristotle would say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adults do defer to authoritarian leaders, particularly in times of crisis. Large groups have blindly trusted authoritarian leaders such as: Molosevic, Stalin, Hitler, Nixon, Ataturk, Hussein and Bin Laden. Most of these guys promoted ethnic violence and terrorism. Nationalism is habituated in one at an early age. As Aristotle points out, all children are habituated in a certain manner. Some better than others. Aristotle pointed out that Spartan children were habituated to become warriors, whilst Athenian males were habituated to engage in debate and dialogue. I think Aristotle would reply to the charge of brainwashing that some cultures brainwash better than others. A brainwashed Buddhist is better than a brainwashed Nazi adolescent.</p>
<p>One also can defer to a person who isn&#8217;t authoritarian. Socrates was a lover of wisdom and stressed the importance of dialogue. One learnt from him, as shown in Plato&#8217;s early texts. It is also interesting how young Nazis were habituated to see women ( Klaus Theweleit &#8216;Male Fantasies&#8217; &#8211; a large two volume brilliant study). A positive example of habituation is learning to play the sitar. It isn&#8217;t easy at first, but with practice and under the guidance of a &#8216;master&#8217;, it becomes creative and joyful. So we can have mentors, gurus, teachers who are not necessarily authoritarian. Some like Socrates are egalitarian in the true sense, others maybe liberal or conservative.</p>
<p>Intersting how Marx and Freud researched Aristotle. Marx wrote a doctorate on him and wanted to extend Aristotle&#8217;s notion of equal citizenship to all humans. Freud was interested in how civilization could protect humans from destructive instincts ( &#8216;Civilization and its Discontents&#8217;). He was prophetic when it came to Hitler and may have walked past him, in the streets of Vienna, before he got to England and his sisters were gassed. </p>
<p>Freud stressed that one could be a mentor without being authoritarian. One could hardly say that Freud was authoritarian when compared to Hitler. Fromm, Freud&#8217;s disciple, wrote about authoritarian patriarchal culture and stressed that mentors don&#8217;t have to be this way. Gurus may be parental substitutes but they needn&#8217;t be. By the way, even politicians have to defer to the motorcycle cop who becomes a parental figure when you are caught speeding.</p>
<p>So mentors like Socrates and other teachers may force you to think. They may nourish you. By delimiting the role of all gurus one also may be revealing one&#8217;s own limitations and missing out on the opportunity to flourish, as Aristotle would say.</p>
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		<title>By: roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It all comes
back to this.
In fact - it
never left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all comes<br />
back to this.<br />
In fact &#8211; it<br />
never left.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31536</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing ever happens!

And the moving ever shall stay!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing ever happens!</p>
<p>And the moving ever shall stay!</p>
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		<title>By: lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31535</link>
		<dc:creator>lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank says, &#039;You`d spend the rest of your life trying to figure out what happened!&#039;
What happened?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank says, &#8216;You`d spend the rest of your life trying to figure out what happened!&#8217;<br />
What happened?</p>
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		<title>By: lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2290#comment-31534</link>
		<dc:creator>lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vatan says, &#039;Osho was brilliant at playing daddy&#039;. I agree. I&#039;d say most gurus are playing at big mummies and daddies. Name giving is traditionally exclusive to parents etc. 
Why do adult humans need parental authoritaran figures in their lives? Because it is one of our first conditioning programmes. Many never get over it and thus fall prey to people pandering to their unconscious needs. 
I can remember bowing at Osho&#039;s feet and him patting me on the head and saying, &#039;Very good, Lokesh.&#039; At the time I felt absolutely delighted...like a wee boy. 
Nowadays, it all looks different. Live and learn, as the saying goes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vatan says, &#8216;Osho was brilliant at playing daddy&#8217;. I agree. I&#8217;d say most gurus are playing at big mummies and daddies. Name giving is traditionally exclusive to parents etc.<br />
Why do adult humans need parental authoritaran figures in their lives? Because it is one of our first conditioning programmes. Many never get over it and thus fall prey to people pandering to their unconscious needs.<br />
I can remember bowing at Osho&#8217;s feet and him patting me on the head and saying, &#8216;Very good, Lokesh.&#8217; At the time I felt absolutely delighted&#8230;like a wee boy.<br />
Nowadays, it all looks different. Live and learn, as the saying goes.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Osho could have been a fantasy dad.
You know, a cool guy you could always rely on to come up with some entertainmet for his kids. telling great stories and telling you not to take school too seriously and letting you  skive off down to the river and loaf about, go for a swim and watch the birds (winged ones).

Trouble is, that sort of dad would tend to create a mama who would have to be overly strict to counter his libertarian ways. She&#039;d be a tyrant.
He would support her, but you would always secretly feel he didnt give a toss.
You`d have ended up loving him for his wackiness, even tho` he drove your mum crazy, sitting around chewing the fat and doing substances at all hours with his cronies and constantly changing his opinions about everything.

They`d have  to split up before you were old enough to take it all in.
You`d spend the rest of your life trying to figure out what happened!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osho could have been a fantasy dad.<br />
You know, a cool guy you could always rely on to come up with some entertainmet for his kids. telling great stories and telling you not to take school too seriously and letting you  skive off down to the river and loaf about, go for a swim and watch the birds (winged ones).</p>
<p>Trouble is, that sort of dad would tend to create a mama who would have to be overly strict to counter his libertarian ways. She&#8217;d be a tyrant.<br />
He would support her, but you would always secretly feel he didnt give a toss.<br />
You`d have ended up loving him for his wackiness, even tho` he drove your mum crazy, sitting around chewing the fat and doing substances at all hours with his cronies and constantly changing his opinions about everything.</p>
<p>They`d have  to split up before you were old enough to take it all in.<br />
You`d spend the rest of your life trying to figure out what happened!</p>
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