Comments on: End of an Era/Leaving Pune

By: frank

frank — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:57:11 +0000

Come off it, John…
What about Terence Stamp?
He`s got his own brand of gluten-free crisps….

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:47:29 +0000

It’s not really a question of the death-count, it’s the degree of conflicting world-views, especially of anti-Western sentiment, spearheaded by Islamist terror.

That, plus nuclear proliferation (whereby in worst-case scenario, bang would go that 50m world record!!) makes this a very uneasy, fragile age.

Such books as ‘The Rational Optimist’ would seem to be superficial stuff, frankly.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:22:17 +0000

I’ve realised I like the quiet way you stick to your proposals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature

By: alok john

alok john — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:58:02 +0000

Actually there were hardly any influential people who took sannyas.

By: alokjohn

alokjohn — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:42:41 +0000

SD wrote : “Surely there’s more than enough evidence that things out there are getting worse, not better?” I think it is hard to make a judgment about this. In the second world war 50 million were killed in six years. If you add up the deaths in the conflicts you mention, you do not get to that figure.
There is a book called the “The Rational Optimist”. I cannot remember the author. It is worth reading, or maybe just the reviews of the book.

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:58:37 +0000

“And Satyadeva,
There is a war going on between Light and Darkness.
This is all that i share. Just making some side notes to that play between Light and Shadow. It is a great drama and i just like to blend in some notes. That’s all.”

And by “notes” what exactly do you mean? That you’re just speculating? Or that you think you know something that hardly anyone else does?

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:53:48 +0000

Well, Ramarshi, I say again, if the power of Osho’s presence (or Presence) was not enough to prevent his ‘partner’ of many years from self-destructing (taking heroin may not technically be ‘suicide’, but especially for a vulnerable manic-depressive it’s surely well on that self-destructive road); and – which I note you haven’t responded to yet – if his presence (or Presence) was not enough to prevent his own commune from imploding, then it’s barely credible that his influence could prevent the powers-that-be – who had no contact at all with him – from starting a nuclear war.

It just seems like straightforward common sense to me, nothing complex there at all.

You say you don’t view Osho as a “saviour”, yet credit him with having ‘saved’ the world from nuclear holocaust. That sounds rather close to some sort of a saviour concept, although not a full-blown ‘Only Son of God’ pile of bullshine, doesn’t it? No need to project on to me, thank you, I’m just responding to what appears to be a flawed – and, as even Alok says, unprovable argument.

By: Sw: Ramarshi

Sw: Ramarshi — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:21:22 +0000

Hello,
Vivek died because of overdosing with heroin. It was not a suicide.
It happend in Jayesh’s hotel room in Bombay. Vivek had no money to purchase that stuff. She became the lover of Jayesh a few months before she died. It must have been Jayesh who made it all possible for her. What has that to do with Osho not being Osho? Vivek left Pune (and Osho) — first for days, then for weeks — to be with Jayesh in Bombay. I don’t see Osho as a saviour. If that comes up in someone, it is because old and stupid ideas (the old man had about his god) pop up in you.
Vivek simply lost it. And Jayesh helped her to slip down.
Now that raises some real questions.
Love Ramarshi

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:35:22 +0000

I also mentioned “the ever-increasing numbers of wars, civil strife, torture etc…?”

I wonder what the Vietnamese or Cambodians, for example, might make of this, Alok?

Or perhaps the numerous Africans and South Americans embroiled in unspeakably vile conflicts over the last few decades?

Tibetan buddhists? Bosnians? Israelis v Palestinians?

To name but a few…

(Not to mention the Islamists, my God!).

Surely there’s more than enough evidence that things out there are getting worse, not better? So, humanity hasn’t yet got around to pressing the nuclear button…Well, maybe it won’t actually need to….

By: Sw: Ramarshi

Sw: Ramarshi — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:31:09 +0000

Hello Alok John,
Here is a cool work by a Japanese artist. It explains itself. So you can have a glimpse onto the madness (of the old man). And what happend to that madness, when Osho left His Body.

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And Satyadeva,
There is a war going on between Light and Darkness.
This is all that i share. Just making some side notes to that play between Light and Shadow. It is a great drama and i just like to blend in some notes. That’s all.

And Arpana, in the war between Light and Darkness — Light always wins. No need to be paranoid about the Darkness.
Specially there is absolutely no need to be paranoid about paranoid projections. But nice barking.
Love Ramarshi