Comments on: “Osho is One” from Maitreya

By: sam.ba.

sam.ba. — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 12:44:33 +0000

Roman thanks for that comment.Is an healing to read it

By: Arpana

Arpana — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:58:07 +0000

Some people couldn’t say yes. Some couldn’t say no. Those who couldn’t say yes abused, bullied those who couldn’t say no. Some of those who couldn’t say no ran away, and are still complaining and feeling vengeful and blaming Osho because of what happened. Some of those who couldn’t say no learned to do that, and put some of the bullying no sayers in their place. Some of those no sayers ran away and are still caterwauling, whining and tripping about Osho and sannyas as if they were victims, because they got shot down by people who wouldn’t put up with them, and others who were learning to say no appropriately. Osho sannyas is an opportunity not a panacea.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:49:31 +0000

One of the things that confused me over the bullying, the agression of those years, and ever on, was, I realise now, my expectations, that meditators, spiritual people wouldn’t behave like that, and the confusion is they were no worse than many I had come across in my life up until then; which is where the cant say yes, cant say no spectrum comes in.

I really did learn to set boundaries, and I came to see, in hindsight. ( Thirteen schools probably played a part in that. ) I couldn’t say no, and I have learned to say no and yes appropriately, and to me that is connected to Osho and sannyas, situations I found myself in, around sannyasins and not sannyasins, situations i would not have got into if not for Osho. You it worked for me. Ain’t been easy but it worked for me.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:27:26 +0000

This next is unadulterated gossip.
I’m not repeating this to you and fooling myself that in some ways this will raise your consciousness

A couple of times I heard, picked up remarks on the lines of, well say what you will about Sheela, at least she brought that ******* *** Poonam down a peg or two.

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:23:56 +0000

Not sure of your drift, Arpana.
But the phrase “just say yes” indeed was a commune sannyasin phrase, and also outside the communes, at that time, 81 to 85.
I can remember singing along to it, and did not feel unhappy doing so at the time!
But clearly I and many others were mistaken. Guess one has to pass through such a mistake to recognise it later. I have heard it argued that that was Osho’s intention.
- Disco Papa, well a good experience in some ways for me – guess I may not have ever done such a job had I just followed up doing a conventional career after LSE.
But there was a fault line – basically the whole structure of Mamas and Papas infantilised those who worked under you, and robbed them of initiative, which is not the way I prefer to work, or even then preferred to work. The secret of really good leadership is delegation and giving those so-called under you, freedom of initiative.
The old communes, and basically much of ordinary working life is based on the psychology of control… in trade union terms – bullying of one sort or another!!

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:13:58 +0000

Paul Lowe, (group leader Teertha) did have his feathers ruffled a bit in the Ranch period and did work in other places, but mainly still a group leader as far as my memory goes. But happy to be corrected if anyone knows more.
Patricia Lowe (Punam) his wife, was the Co-ordiantor of Medina and seemed happy in that role for four years. In 1984 Festival she was “retained” on the Ranch by Sheela, and not allowed to return to Medina. She worked on a pipe crew on the Ranch for a month or two, but then left the communes and returned to life in London….
Always thought that ironic as she was fond herself of taking peoples’ egos down a peg or two by giving them manual work or whatever in Medina…

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:17:38 +0000

Swam.

You will recall the phrase, ‘say yes to everything’

Possibly where we fell on the spectrum, cant say no to anything, cant say yes to anything, determines, determined how we dealt with what goes on, went on.

The point is to eventually be able to draw appropriate lines in the sand, which means using appropriate yes, and appropriate no euphemisms, until forced to use the N –O word.

(@_@)

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:44:24 +0000

I seem to recall Lowe worked repairing typewriters at the ranch, which doesn’t disprove the general rule. ( I heard I should say. )

addendum.
Little lesson for you their Shantam.

Bet you were a fuckin’ great disco papa. *(^O^)*

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:18:24 +0000

I recall Osho saying years ago, to me, and others I assume, a remark which I heard as ‘drop your ideals. T hats why you are so dissatisfied’, (Paraphrase.) but I’ve never really got past idealism,. just become more pragmatic as well, but whenever I recall him saying that I want to charge into his room and say,

‘That’s a bit rich coming from you Osho Bhagwan Shree. Could you be any more idealistic if you tried?’

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:06:01 +0000

Parmartha.

You summed it up perfectly when you remarked about all these Zen koans, including the Koan of did he mean these things to be so, or were they a mistake.
We shall never know.

The next bit is a caveat. Not aimed at you beloved moderator.

(I dont want this remark to be interpreted as anything more than something very low key. I haven’t done any research. I dont intend the remark to be definitive, the final word etc. Just tossing it into the mix in a sociable way, as you do, or not. I wont have a hissy fit if someone dares to say anything different, although I suppose I might, but then again I probably wont. (._.)