Comments on: Osho and Vegetarianism

By: martyn

martyn — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:09:16 +0000

and with a ready made, non australian resident , email to the ozzy PM here :

By: martyn

martyn — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:39:55 +0000

Act Now .No need to watch the video for evidence ….its worse than sad

just act…and write to all the Indonesian embassy emails…particularly the Australian ones
here :
http://embassy.goabroad.com/embassies-of/indonesia#8031

take action with your Australian MP’s here:

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/indonesia-new-evidence-2012/?y

keep the pressure up.. make this action count .. lets go viral around the world..

actions work, campaigns do have effect…

thank you for contributing your time.

By: martyn

martyn — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:20:31 +0000

If we start with the premise that the results of agitpropism are in inverse proportion to the problem or dilemma faced , then we succeed in proving that no-one owes anybody or anybeing anything….and the world continues

… in fact many animal experiment companies are moving to china where this philosophy is in force .. their (the chinese) humanism has barely touched their survivalism and there is no commensurate face-saving gestures needed by their industries unlike in the west…where unwanted mediatic attention may predispose the issue in favour of legitimate cruelty free concerns.

mostly any form of brutality doesn’t stop there.. but continues with the theme and ‘ i’m just going to help myself until something stops me…..’

either greater external forces are brought to bear preemptively, or the internal contradictions will over time change the dynamic….

hence historically campaigning is a form of moral sabotage as an applied external force or …for example global warming occurs when planetary consensus is impossible ….

if one seeks an effect from one’s actions immediately this may be possible, and by chance may or may not work…. cause and effect are not implicit in human dynamics and don’t respond to scientific scaling….

hence debacles like rajneeshpuram risk ‘failure ‘ , like jumping off 100 foot bridges….
but the joy is in the equanimity when faced with unpredictability and the chance to engage life on your terms…

to answer your question.. these are ethical issues where no seventh cavalry exists..however Vegetarianism has blossomed in my lifetime and great successes have been achieved….i even got a family to tear up their circus tickets in Norfolk Virginia when they watched the elephant beating cruelty video strapped to my chest outside the Ringling brothers circus..

The solution dear All is simple….
Do the right thing….and be that which you seek….

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:37:59 +0000

What a relief, you had me really worried for a moment there.

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:20:58 +0000

We have to stop these experiments on animals. I sympathise with the direct action people, but think they are unimaginative, and a bit vengeful. What are the options Martyn?

By: Dhanyam

Dhanyam — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:25:48 +0000

Dear Rajni,
In 87, 88, 89, and 90 I sent three months yearly in Pune, so we may have met. My “assorted-hat” phase is over, and now I am just into assorted Osho. Check out our Viha Connection magazine at
http://www.oshohereandnow.com/connection/VC_Nov-Dec_2011web.pdf
Love, Dhanyam

By: rajni

rajni — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:11:13 +0000

Shantam – I presume you are being ironic here. I am sure those ‘randomly chosen’ people who think that Osho’s books are ‘ok’ but ‘nothing new’ have not really read any – and if they have, they have merely glossed over the words. How many of these ‘random’ people have read his discourses on Hasidism, Kabir, Zen, The Diamond Sutra, Heraclitus, Hakim Sanai, Vedanta, Patanjali’s yoga sutras, Taoism etc? These require work. Some people want a ‘quick fix’. They don’t want to do the work. So they dismiss as ‘nothing new’ – as if they are the ‘great experts’ on everything.

By: rajni

rajni — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:49:07 +0000

Thanks for the response Dhanyam. Rotary here in Australia actually does send books to prisons – they sell others to raise money for their work in places like East Timor etc. If I stumble across any more Osho ‘donations’ I will pack them up and post them to Viha. As for Swami Prabhakar who knows where he is. By the way I think I met you in Pune in 89. Are you ‘into’ assorted hats?

By: martyn

martyn — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:24:42 +0000

” Our secret filming inside British abattoirs has revealed terrible suffering and many potential breaches of animal welfare laws. Our investigations show that ‘humane slaughter’ is a myth.
And it’s not just ‘mainstream’ slaughterhouses where serious animal welfare failings were documented. One Soil Association abattoir was so bad that the Meat Hygiene Service immediately suspended three workers and began building a case for a prosecution. Our investigations show once again that the only cruelty-free diet is a meat-free one.”

from : http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/vegetarianism//2257//

who are actually a very nice bunch of people judging by the organisers I met in the Exeter animal welfare festival and in London….

By: Arpana

Arpana — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:34:18 +0000

“The fact remains still..if you ask 10 rendomly chosen people about Osho´s books, 8 or 9 are going to answer, ” Yes..they are Ok. but i could not see something new in them, that which is not said before.”

You went to University????
You studied Law.????

And you still drop these assumptions around as if they were proven fact.