Comments on: Havel and the Loss of Sannyas Rebellion

By: martyn

martyn — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:12:36 +0000

and what he said about the drinking of tea : so important to brits and zenners alike..

Here’s what the late playwright had to say about drinking of the leaf:

‘When I was outside, I didn’t understand the cult of tea that exists in prison, but I wasn’t here long before grasping its significance and succumbing to it myself. . . . Tea, it seems to me, becomes a kind of material symbol of freedom here: (a) it is in effect the only fare that one can prepare oneself, and thus freely: when and how I make it is entirely up to me. In the preparation of it, I realize myself as a free being, as it were, capable of looking after myself. (b) Tea – as a sign of private relaxation, of a brief pause in the midst of the hubbub, of rumination and private contemplation – functions as the external, material attribute of a certain unbridling of the spirit and thus as a companion in moments of focused inner freedom. (c) The world of freedom considered as leisure time is represented by tea in the opposite – in the extroverted and therefore the social – sense: sitting down to a cup of tea here is a substitute for the world of bars, wine rooms, parties, binges, social life, in other words again, something you choose yourself and in which you realize your freedom in social terms. . . . I drink it every day. . . . I look forward to it, and consuming it (which I schedule carefully, so it does not become a formless and random activity) is an extremely important component in my daily ”self-care” program. From ”Letters to Olga.” ‘

By: jay. c. pennie

jay. c. pennie — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:40:32 +0000

…..they do the fandango!!!

By: frank

frank — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:41:00 +0000

you are right of course.
any performer will tell you thatwhen the hecklers start,it means at least someone is paying attention!
hecklers give the performer a special opportunity to respond with wit.
if they just call the police or a lawyer,then the
chance is gone…..

By: frank

frank — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:36:57 +0000

martyn
who are all these guys?
are they all characters out of “bohemian rhapsody”…..?

By: frank

frank — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:38:47 +0000

plato,kant,dick van sloterdyke,mary poppins….
wow man,you sure know a lot about philosophy…
me too..
i learnt most of it here…..

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By: martyn

martyn — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:38:02 +0000

Woops I meant Derrida was a fan of Tolle…as Deleuze smoked himself into suicide ..way before Tolle burst upon the scene.As for Slavo Zisjsek, he sounds like a potty professor on speedc.

By: sannyasnews

sannyasnews — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:35:33 +0000

Bodhi Herren,
I have only ever said that Osho choose to use nitrous oxide on a regular basis and given the references for that from his personal dentist, Devageet and dental assistants to back that up. The dental sessions could have easily been to wake his rather straight inner core of temporal disciples up. The three nitrous books are clearly dictated on the gas so it is a fact. A sanitised account of Osho’s life and interests may just appeal to your sort of consciousness but that may be something for you to look at.
There are those who have experimented with hallucgenics who hearing of Osho’s interest in that area may well find him much more interesting as a teacher/master.
I resent the association with Calder. He has very different views to me.
On your other point I have been a sannyasin since 1975 and continue to be one.

By: roman

roman — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 06:08:12 +0000

He was taught by the best and he was an aware disciple. I’ve met a few like him. Some disciples only spent short periods in Poona or Oregon but Osho knew them. I loved the way Osho would sometimes refer to Kant in some early discourses. There are some wonderful books in Osho’s library. I liked the way Osho marked passages in the books he read with scholarly neatness. Passages are marked with single or double dots depending on their importance. A humbling experience to see what Osho did read.

By: roman

roman — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:18:36 +0000

An epiphany as Joyce, the great lover of humanity, would say. Is Mary Poppins a dangerous Magi? No-one knows where she comes from but she raises everyone’s spirits. A better psychoanalyst then Freud. No maternal or paternal superego here, how refreshing and how unlike some who claim to have the ‘complete knowledge of Osho, sannyas and sannyasins.’

The chimney-sweeper reminds me of Brechts Threepenny Opera: ‘Do not run after luck too arduously, because it might happen that you will overrun it and that luck will thus stay behind.’
Did Osho say something about the object of desire eluding our grasp no matter what we do to attain it?
Appreciate your comments on Zen. I ‘m still in an aporia about Plato so I’ve left him in the cave.
Cheers

By: martyn

martyn — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:55:22 +0000

Roman,you may well know that Deleuze the deconstuctivist disciple of Derrida was also a fan of Eckharte Tolle for when you reduce language’s universality there occurs the question…now what….I think we all pay lip service to these things especially as sannyasins when we would be better off refining our playfulness instead..mostly the playfulness of language is not used to its greatest effect..notice the heavy handed way that we all have to understand through reams of impenetrable guff how to become lightened in spirit etc..just rubbish…I’d go as far as suggesting that tip top therapists meditators modelled a huge amount of linguistic sincerity on the manner and intent of Osho’s delivery.Even here in SN there are those who just cannot create enough ludicrousy or ridicule ,so well used elsewhere in everyday life, to make sense of things to sponsor the ‘religious way’. So much is edited here from me in that vein that makes me wonder just what the intent of SN is ..as I’ve said before the minstrel is a much more potent force than the philosopher because the minstrel’s concerns are accessible where the philosopher’s and the religionist require vetting and collusion…there’s no room for hecklers …whereas in the minstrelsy all heckling is grist for the mill.