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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had a massive, big deal insight on a bus in the early eighties, when I understood how much my life had been effected by jumping to spurious conclusions as to cause and effect, and taking action based on those spurious conclusions.

A stepping stone moment in my life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a massive, big deal insight on a bus in the early eighties, when I understood how much my life had been effected by jumping to spurious conclusions as to cause and effect, and taking action based on those spurious conclusions.</p>
<p>A stepping stone moment in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Teertha</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/1501#comment-25915</link>
		<dc:creator>Teertha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arpana -- karma is a hugely complex topic. Hindu Vedantic scriptures cover it in the greatest hair splitting detail, far as I am aware. They describe group karma, nation karma, individual karma, etc. The way I meant it is essentially cause and effect, which seems largely how Osho was meaning it. 

Anyway, regarding Britain and &#039;bad karma&#039;, how on Earth was Britain&#039;s opposition to Hitler a &#039;bad thing&#039;? Would we have preferred a Nazi Empire in Europe? I don&#039;t think so. By Osho&#039;s reasoning, one could easily argue that Churchill&#039;s refusal to surrender during the Nazi bombing campaign reverses all the other nefarious stuff they did. That and the good works of Thomas Crapper. 

But the whole thing is kind of silly, because much of cause and effect is invisible and untraceable. (Then there was Hume&#039;s argument that cause and effect is essentially imaginary, lacking any detectable mechanism). Bad things happen to good people, and good things to bad people, doubtless because we can&#039;t see all the causes. All nations will eventually fall into ruin anyway, given enough time. Entropy trumps karma. (My new bumper sticker).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arpana &#8212; karma is a hugely complex topic. Hindu Vedantic scriptures cover it in the greatest hair splitting detail, far as I am aware. They describe group karma, nation karma, individual karma, etc. The way I meant it is essentially cause and effect, which seems largely how Osho was meaning it. </p>
<p>Anyway, regarding Britain and &#8216;bad karma&#8217;, how on Earth was Britain&#8217;s opposition to Hitler a &#8216;bad thing&#8217;? Would we have preferred a Nazi Empire in Europe? I don&#8217;t think so. By Osho&#8217;s reasoning, one could easily argue that Churchill&#8217;s refusal to surrender during the Nazi bombing campaign reverses all the other nefarious stuff they did. That and the good works of Thomas Crapper. </p>
<p>But the whole thing is kind of silly, because much of cause and effect is invisible and untraceable. (Then there was Hume&#8217;s argument that cause and effect is essentially imaginary, lacking any detectable mechanism). Bad things happen to good people, and good things to bad people, doubtless because we can&#8217;t see all the causes. All nations will eventually fall into ruin anyway, given enough time. Entropy trumps karma. (My new bumper sticker).</p>
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		<title>By: alokjohn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, if you want to appreciate what a difficult subject history is, read this   http://india_resource.tripod.com/colonial.html    which is what is taught to Indian schoolchildren today...this is where my quotes about India came from....

and then read the reviews (especially the two star review) to Late Victorian Holocausts here   http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1859847390/ref=cm_cr_pr_fltrmsg?ie=UTF8&amp;showViewpoints=0

The two star review of Late Victorian Holocausts would seem to contradict what is taught to Indian school children today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if you want to appreciate what a difficult subject history is, read this   <a href="http://india_resource.tripod.com/colonial.html" rel="nofollow">http://india_resource.tripod.com/colonial.html</a>    which is what is taught to Indian schoolchildren today&#8230;this is where my quotes about India came from&#8230;.</p>
<p>and then read the reviews (especially the two star review) to Late Victorian Holocausts here   <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1859847390/ref=cm_cr_pr_fltrmsg?ie=UTF8&#038;showViewpoints=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1859847390/ref=cm_cr_pr_fltrmsg?ie=UTF8&#038;showViewpoints=0</a></p>
<p>The two star review of Late Victorian Holocausts would seem to contradict what is taught to Indian school children today.</p>
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		<title>By: alokjohn</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/1501#comment-25901</link>
		<dc:creator>alokjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well that is what he told me.  I have only briefly been there so I  have not seen with my own eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that is what he told me.  I have only briefly been there so I  have not seen with my own eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hoho.
no pre war housing in germany?
that story goes to show that germans do have a sense of humour....
john,the bloke who told you that one must be wetting his lederhosen by now....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoho.<br />
no pre war housing in germany?<br />
that story goes to show that germans do have a sense of humour&#8230;.<br />
john,the bloke who told you that one must be wetting his lederhosen by now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teertha said.

&quot;Osho’s intellectual ‘weakness’, if we can call it that, was in his tendency to generalization. Any man who reads 100,000 books is bound to generalize. He was painting with a very broad canvass to speak to his huge crowd of listeners.&quot;

You&#039;ve started another discussion. 

Never particularly tuned into the generalizations as such. Have always and still do, picked up on the specifics, that relate to me personally, for example riding two horses at once, blind men and elephants story; and thousands more examples.

His generalizations are entirely balanced by specifics, which seems about right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teertha said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Osho’s intellectual ‘weakness’, if we can call it that, was in his tendency to generalization. Any man who reads 100,000 books is bound to generalize. He was painting with a very broad canvass to speak to his huge crowd of listeners.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve started another discussion. </p>
<p>Never particularly tuned into the generalizations as such. Have always and still do, picked up on the specifics, that relate to me personally, for example riding two horses at once, blind men and elephants story; and thousands more examples.</p>
<p>His generalizations are entirely balanced by specifics, which seems about right.</p>
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		<title>By: alokjohn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is a lot we don&#039;t know in England.  I was shocked when a German friend sannyasin told me there was no pre war housing in Germany.  &quot;Allied&quot;  bombers destroyed the lot.....little villages, market towns as well as industrial and military centres.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a lot we don&#8217;t know in England.  I was shocked when a German friend sannyasin told me there was no pre war housing in Germany.  &#8220;Allied&#8221;  bombers destroyed the lot&#8230;..little villages, market towns as well as industrial and military centres.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you define Karma? ( Straight forward question. No point scoring. )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define Karma? ( Straight forward question. No point scoring. )</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the rioters were young guys.
bored.
like all  teenagers  they need some edgy action.
that was the best night of their lives so far,for sure.
that was their way of getting to live in the moment,live dangerously and feel totally alive.

for sannyasins to wheel out irrelevant  osho quotes to grab a headline is pretty dullwitted.
and osho predicted the i-pod..
and ghadafi was a nice guy etc....

the people &quot;doing oshos work&quot; putting out this kind of stuff come across as pompous,conceited  relig-idiots marooned in the last century....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rioters were young guys.<br />
bored.<br />
like all  teenagers  they need some edgy action.<br />
that was the best night of their lives so far,for sure.<br />
that was their way of getting to live in the moment,live dangerously and feel totally alive.</p>
<p>for sannyasins to wheel out irrelevant  osho quotes to grab a headline is pretty dullwitted.<br />
and osho predicted the i-pod..<br />
and ghadafi was a nice guy etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>the people &#8220;doing oshos work&#8221; putting out this kind of stuff come across as pompous,conceited  relig-idiots marooned in the last century&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Teertha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teertha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Osho&#039;s intellectual &#039;weakness&#039;, if we can call it that, was in his tendency to generalization. Any man who reads 100,000 books is bound to generalize. He was painting with a very broad canvass to speak to his huge crowd of listeners.

For example, Osho said (quoting from above):

&quot;But that’s how existence functions. If you do something wrong, you are bound to suffer. If you do something right, existence is very rewarding.

England has done so much wrong in the past three hundred years that it seems difficult for it even to survive.&quot;

Of course there is some general truth to that, but it is so generalized that it is bound to be inaccurate. The British did not just do &#039;bad things&#039;, they also created/discovered many useful things such as Penicillin and most significant technologies related to transportation, like the steam engine, the electric motor, the locomotive, the jet engine, etc. The trains that transported Osho from town to town in India so that he could dispense wisdom were invented by the Brits. 

Karma, like all cause and effect, operates in checks and balances. All that matters in the end is the bottom line. Hell the Brits even invented the toilet paper to deal with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osho&#8217;s intellectual &#8216;weakness&#8217;, if we can call it that, was in his tendency to generalization. Any man who reads 100,000 books is bound to generalize. He was painting with a very broad canvass to speak to his huge crowd of listeners.</p>
<p>For example, Osho said (quoting from above):</p>
<p>&#8220;But that’s how existence functions. If you do something wrong, you are bound to suffer. If you do something right, existence is very rewarding.</p>
<p>England has done so much wrong in the past three hundred years that it seems difficult for it even to survive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course there is some general truth to that, but it is so generalized that it is bound to be inaccurate. The British did not just do &#8216;bad things&#8217;, they also created/discovered many useful things such as Penicillin and most significant technologies related to transportation, like the steam engine, the electric motor, the locomotive, the jet engine, etc. The trains that transported Osho from town to town in India so that he could dispense wisdom were invented by the Brits. </p>
<p>Karma, like all cause and effect, operates in checks and balances. All that matters in the end is the bottom line. Hell the Brits even invented the toilet paper to deal with that.</p>
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