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	<title>Comments on: The Top Ten Osho Books, by Nityaprem</title>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
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		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 09:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buddha did create with his idea of &quot;right speech&quot; a moralistic rule. Something is good, something else is bad, similar to the concept of sin in Christianity.

No wonder, both are religions.
They only use different words for the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddha did create with his idea of &#8220;right speech&#8221; a moralistic rule. Something is good, something else is bad, similar to the concept of sin in Christianity.</p>
<p>No wonder, both are religions.<br />
They only use different words for the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115638</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 18:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NP thinks that Osho misses that which specifically encourages people to be good to each other.

I don&#039;t believe Osho missed that at all. It is just that Osho&#039;s approach was very different to that of the Buddha. Comparison is unnecessary. Osho actively encouraged people to be selfish, and self-centered, to follow one&#039;s bliss and by so doing a true sense of altruism would eventually develop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NP thinks that Osho misses that which specifically encourages people to be good to each other.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe Osho missed that at all. It is just that Osho&#8217;s approach was very different to that of the Buddha. Comparison is unnecessary. Osho actively encouraged people to be selfish, and self-centered, to follow one&#8217;s bliss and by so doing a true sense of altruism would eventually develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115637</link>
		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 13:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Osho’s instruction of only saying what is grounded in your experience is only one part of the Buddha’s statement of right speech being “true, factual, beneficial, and with a sense of the right timing.”

Your experience may be true and factual, but not many people meditate on the extent to which their interpretation of their experience is founded in fantasy or delusion.

The Buddha’s qualification of only saying those things which are beneficial means a lot of malicious talk, idle chatter and gossip falls away, and we are looking at just statements which are helpful to other people.

As usual, Osho is reframing other spiritual traditions to fit more with his sense of what is natural for people. Often he was right, but here I think he misses that which specifically encourages people to be good to each other, and also what teaches them to mind what others say because it is not said out of idleness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osho’s instruction of only saying what is grounded in your experience is only one part of the Buddha’s statement of right speech being “true, factual, beneficial, and with a sense of the right timing.”</p>
<p>Your experience may be true and factual, but not many people meditate on the extent to which their interpretation of their experience is founded in fantasy or delusion.</p>
<p>The Buddha’s qualification of only saying those things which are beneficial means a lot of malicious talk, idle chatter and gossip falls away, and we are looking at just statements which are helpful to other people.</p>
<p>As usual, Osho is reframing other spiritual traditions to fit more with his sense of what is natural for people. Often he was right, but here I think he misses that which specifically encourages people to be good to each other, and also what teaches them to mind what others say because it is not said out of idleness.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115635</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 10:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sri Sri Satchit, I am not in competition with NP and I don&#039;t have the slightest bit of interest in anyone&#039;s IQ, including my own. I am interested in having a laugh about the well-known Dunning-Kruger Effect and that is about the extent of it for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sri Sri Satchit, I am not in competition with NP and I don&#8217;t have the slightest bit of interest in anyone&#8217;s IQ, including my own. I am interested in having a laugh about the well-known Dunning-Kruger Effect and that is about the extent of it for now.</p>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
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		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 09:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loco, one sees clearly that you don&#039;t know the Dunning-Kruger-Effect.

The reason is, NP has a higher IQ than you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loco, one sees clearly that you don&#8217;t know the Dunning-Kruger-Effect.</p>
<p>The reason is, NP has a higher IQ than you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115633</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 09:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The well-known Dunning-Kruger Effect? Well known? You have to be joking.

Hi, what do you think of the well-known Dunning-Kruger Effect? 

Oh, wow, everyone is talking about it. I apply it all the time on SN, even though the effect has since been questioned by certain data scientists and mathematicians alike, although I doubt NP is aware of that. 

I see. What to do?

Well, being blind to our unique strengths can greatly impact our well-being and mental health. This can give rise to imposter syndrome, or persistent feelings of being a fraud. People suffering from imposter syndrome may feel undeserving of their own success or may worry constantly about what will happen when others realize the “truth.” 

Imposter syndrome? We have a lot of that on SN. You know, people pretending to know about things, even though they are ignorant of those subjects.

Yes, I totally agree. Thinking you are better than you are at something can cause you to miss out on opportunities to learn from others who are truly more skilled or knowledgeable. Following the above example, if you believe that you are already doing a fantastic job at work, you’re less likely to seek out feedback to help you improve. On the flip side, thinking you are average at something when you really demonstrate great skill can cause you to miss out on opportunities for self-advancement or to guide and mentor others.

Quite so. Not only are over-confident individuals extremely resistant to being taught — since they believe they know the most — but they are also guilty of sharing the most information (read: misinformation).

So, that means, when individuals present information confidently, we are more likely to believe them, regardless of whether or not the information they are sharing is well-founded.

Yes, think Donald Trump, or even Sri Sri Satchit and his use of spiritual cliches.

Yes, exactly. Politicians and SN commentators may benefit from a trusting and over-confident audience. People who aren’t as well-informed about political and spiritual issues are likelier to believe what you say, consider themselves educated, and share their views with others. And that is why the Dunning-Kruger effect is a bit of a catch-22. People who don’t know much about a given subject don’t have the knowledge or skills to spot their own mistakes or knowledge gaps. Because of these blind spots, they can’t see where they’re going wrong, and they, therefore, assume they’re doing fine. 

Although the Dunning–Kruger effect has been found to occur in fields and subject matters as diverse as emotional intelligence, logical reasoning, financial knowledge, and even medical knowledge, there are recent doubts about its accuracy as a bias of the human brain. Some research has suggested that since computer-generated data is also subject to the effects of Dunning-Kruger, it is a computational phenomenon and thus cannot count as a bias of the human mind.

Yes. That is my whole point. The Dunning-Kruger effect makes us aware of our own blind spots and lends us the opportunity to adjust our self-perceptions. For those who fall victim to the effect, it can be difficult to adjust our evaluations. Doing so requires taking a step back to realize that your own self-assessments can be biased and sometimes incorrect. If you are making choices based on your own personal knowledge and skills, you have likely not consulted enough reputable information. 

Of course. That is why you can avoid being ignorant of your own performance by listening and gaining insight into the performances of others. The bottom line is: If people are telling you you’re a fuckwit, listen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The well-known Dunning-Kruger Effect? Well known? You have to be joking.</p>
<p>Hi, what do you think of the well-known Dunning-Kruger Effect? </p>
<p>Oh, wow, everyone is talking about it. I apply it all the time on SN, even though the effect has since been questioned by certain data scientists and mathematicians alike, although I doubt NP is aware of that. </p>
<p>I see. What to do?</p>
<p>Well, being blind to our unique strengths can greatly impact our well-being and mental health. This can give rise to imposter syndrome, or persistent feelings of being a fraud. People suffering from imposter syndrome may feel undeserving of their own success or may worry constantly about what will happen when others realize the “truth.” </p>
<p>Imposter syndrome? We have a lot of that on SN. You know, people pretending to know about things, even though they are ignorant of those subjects.</p>
<p>Yes, I totally agree. Thinking you are better than you are at something can cause you to miss out on opportunities to learn from others who are truly more skilled or knowledgeable. Following the above example, if you believe that you are already doing a fantastic job at work, you’re less likely to seek out feedback to help you improve. On the flip side, thinking you are average at something when you really demonstrate great skill can cause you to miss out on opportunities for self-advancement or to guide and mentor others.</p>
<p>Quite so. Not only are over-confident individuals extremely resistant to being taught — since they believe they know the most — but they are also guilty of sharing the most information (read: misinformation).</p>
<p>So, that means, when individuals present information confidently, we are more likely to believe them, regardless of whether or not the information they are sharing is well-founded.</p>
<p>Yes, think Donald Trump, or even Sri Sri Satchit and his use of spiritual cliches.</p>
<p>Yes, exactly. Politicians and SN commentators may benefit from a trusting and over-confident audience. People who aren’t as well-informed about political and spiritual issues are likelier to believe what you say, consider themselves educated, and share their views with others. And that is why the Dunning-Kruger effect is a bit of a catch-22. People who don’t know much about a given subject don’t have the knowledge or skills to spot their own mistakes or knowledge gaps. Because of these blind spots, they can’t see where they’re going wrong, and they, therefore, assume they’re doing fine. </p>
<p>Although the Dunning–Kruger effect has been found to occur in fields and subject matters as diverse as emotional intelligence, logical reasoning, financial knowledge, and even medical knowledge, there are recent doubts about its accuracy as a bias of the human brain. Some research has suggested that since computer-generated data is also subject to the effects of Dunning-Kruger, it is a computational phenomenon and thus cannot count as a bias of the human mind.</p>
<p>Yes. That is my whole point. The Dunning-Kruger effect makes us aware of our own blind spots and lends us the opportunity to adjust our self-perceptions. For those who fall victim to the effect, it can be difficult to adjust our evaluations. Doing so requires taking a step back to realize that your own self-assessments can be biased and sometimes incorrect. If you are making choices based on your own personal knowledge and skills, you have likely not consulted enough reputable information. </p>
<p>Of course. That is why you can avoid being ignorant of your own performance by listening and gaining insight into the performances of others. The bottom line is: If people are telling you you’re a fuckwit, listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115632</link>
		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 06:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are reckoning without the well known Dunning-Kruger Effect, which is a tendency from psychology which states that “people with a limited competence in a specific domain tend to overestimate their capabilities”; to summarise, stupid people are inherently over-confident. 

In many cases telling people they are fuckwits just creates conflict without adding to wisdom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are reckoning without the well known Dunning-Kruger Effect, which is a tendency from psychology which states that “people with a limited competence in a specific domain tend to overestimate their capabilities”; to summarise, stupid people are inherently over-confident. </p>
<p>In many cases telling people they are fuckwits just creates conflict without adding to wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115631</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2024 17:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is wrong with calling someone a fuckwit if they are a fuckwit? If nobody tells them they might not wake up to the fact. You could say it is an act of compassion, because if nobody tells them they will just keep fuckwiting around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with calling someone a fuckwit if they are a fuckwit? If nobody tells them they might not wake up to the fact. You could say it is an act of compassion, because if nobody tells them they will just keep fuckwiting around.</p>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115630</link>
		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2024 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Right speech&quot; is an ideal.

The sheep will try to follow, the lions follow their own nature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Right speech&#8221; is an ideal.</p>
<p>The sheep will try to follow, the lions follow their own nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/12004#comment-115629</link>
		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2024 13:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I basically was thinking “more welcoming, kinder” but it’s true that Osho did a good part of a discourse on the word &#039;fuck&#039;. Maybe we can find a happy medium, a way not to call people ‘fuckwits’ too often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I basically was thinking “more welcoming, kinder” but it’s true that Osho did a good part of a discourse on the word &#8216;fuck&#8217;. Maybe we can find a happy medium, a way not to call people ‘fuckwits’ too often.</p>
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