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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SannyasNews is a moderated web board that works like a tiny copy of Sheelas’s commune politics. I have been there for some weeks and found out that many words and comments were changed, carved out, or completely deleted by the moderator, and three people are agreeing to anything he does.
All together just five people – more or less – are writing their replies and comments over there. One guy is trusted to write the main articles and the others do comment on them.
I also wrote a lot over there these days – my knee is hurting and soon has to be operated. so I can’t leave the house for long, or even work as a driver. So I watched their intelligent words in fluent homegrown English, and became their number 6 (inside joke !)
Two of five members – just like me – saw that parts of their texts were edited and deleted and talked about it openly. The mod kept on saying the board is not safe any longer, because the old supervisor with software knowledge had left long ago, and he can’t take measures to secure it. It was just a lie.
Power corrupts if no checks and balances are aloud. Such ways to handle power politics are as ordinary as anywhere in all human societies. The clever mind of Sannyasins is not more intelligent or egoless than any other human being on this planet earth. The idea to be more aware or loving is just a spiritual dream … If you don’t consent, go and read this heavily edited book. I did not read it – but I saw it developing in realtime.
So of course watch for yourself.
Love]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SannyasNews is a moderated web board that works like a tiny copy of Sheelas’s commune politics. I have been there for some weeks and found out that many words and comments were changed, carved out, or completely deleted by the moderator, and three people are agreeing to anything he does.<br />
All together just five people – more or less – are writing their replies and comments over there. One guy is trusted to write the main articles and the others do comment on them.<br />
I also wrote a lot over there these days – my knee is hurting and soon has to be operated. so I can’t leave the house for long, or even work as a driver. So I watched their intelligent words in fluent homegrown English, and became their number 6 (inside joke !)<br />
Two of five members – just like me – saw that parts of their texts were edited and deleted and talked about it openly. The mod kept on saying the board is not safe any longer, because the old supervisor with software knowledge had left long ago, and he can’t take measures to secure it. It was just a lie.<br />
Power corrupts if no checks and balances are aloud. Such ways to handle power politics are as ordinary as anywhere in all human societies. The clever mind of Sannyasins is not more intelligent or egoless than any other human being on this planet earth. The idea to be more aware or loving is just a spiritual dream … If you don’t consent, go and read this heavily edited book. I did not read it – but I saw it developing in realtime.<br />
So of course watch for yourself.<br />
Love</p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11651#comment-114763</link>
		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a response to Lokesh’s comment from the 22 March, 2024 at 7:27 am, which was deleted by Lokesh on that day, along with several other comments.  So I have had to rewrite some of them. He began with:
“Shanti, that sounds like cult-speak.”


I replied to his comment with something like: 

“Yes I know your perception of the master/disciple relationship is quite simplistic and you appear quite childish, with your idea that you where in a cult yet you want to hold onto Osho. 

You sometimes appear like an angry teenager arguing with Osho as  a father figure. It is obvious you have a problem with him yet you cling to him.  An enlightened master  like Osho  has a particular purpose, his help for the meditator, he also acts as protective force on the path with Osho he can help you grow very quickly, dissolving into love and bliss with him.&quot;

Although I can’t remember exactly what I wrote, but Lokesh’s response to that comment which was also deleted has reappeared there on the page. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a response to Lokesh’s comment from the 22 March, 2024 at 7:27 am, which was deleted by Lokesh on that day, along with several other comments.  So I have had to rewrite some of them. He began with:<br />
“Shanti, that sounds like cult-speak.”</p>
<p>I replied to his comment with something like: </p>
<p>“Yes I know your perception of the master/disciple relationship is quite simplistic and you appear quite childish, with your idea that you where in a cult yet you want to hold onto Osho. </p>
<p>You sometimes appear like an angry teenager arguing with Osho as  a father figure. It is obvious you have a problem with him yet you cling to him.  An enlightened master  like Osho  has a particular purpose, his help for the meditator, he also acts as protective force on the path with Osho he can help you grow very quickly, dissolving into love and bliss with him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although I can’t remember exactly what I wrote, but Lokesh’s response to that comment which was also deleted has reappeared there on the page. </p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m just reminded today that a lot of spirituality is about…

…deconditioning.

Time is great at this, if you take enough rest and peace and quiet, you end up forgetting all the rubbish and coming closer to a natural state. A certain time of seclusion is really useful in allowing you to let go of everything that you used to think of as important.

…celebration and joy
Music has been my gateway to this over the morning. I love listening to upbeat party music that makes you happy. Dance is a nice supplement but just music is enough.

…self-observation
I find it useful to observe myself. Sometimes I see a thought or emotion and wonder where it came from, and I take a closer look at the workings of my mind. It’s about awareness of the mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m just reminded today that a lot of spirituality is about…</p>
<p>…deconditioning.</p>
<p>Time is great at this, if you take enough rest and peace and quiet, you end up forgetting all the rubbish and coming closer to a natural state. A certain time of seclusion is really useful in allowing you to let go of everything that you used to think of as important.</p>
<p>…celebration and joy<br />
Music has been my gateway to this over the morning. I love listening to upbeat party music that makes you happy. Dance is a nice supplement but just music is enough.</p>
<p>…self-observation<br />
I find it useful to observe myself. Sometimes I see a thought or emotion and wonder where it came from, and I take a closer look at the workings of my mind. It’s about awareness of the mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2024 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a lot of experience of different forums, ranging from the uniformly well-behaved (eg Buddhist) to the highly variable (eg mental health, free-thinker) and the moderating approach is usually a result of the past behaviour of visitors.

SannyasNews seems to me quite well run, and if the mod(s) here have decided that it’s necessary to review every comment before publishing, that is reasonable. On blogs it’s often a similar system to prevent spammers from getting in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of experience of different forums, ranging from the uniformly well-behaved (eg Buddhist) to the highly variable (eg mental health, free-thinker) and the moderating approach is usually a result of the past behaviour of visitors.</p>
<p>SannyasNews seems to me quite well run, and if the mod(s) here have decided that it’s necessary to review every comment before publishing, that is reasonable. On blogs it’s often a similar system to prevent spammers from getting in.</p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2024 16:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here’s an article from Surendra, one of the teachers at Ko Hsuan, who lives in Japan as a photographer, on &quot;sexuality&quot; at the school: https://www.oshonews.com/2016/09/06/osho-ko-hsuan-sexuality/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s an article from Surendra, one of the teachers at Ko Hsuan, who lives in Japan as a photographer, on &#8220;sexuality&#8221; at the school: <a href="https://www.oshonews.com/2016/09/06/osho-ko-hsuan-sexuality/" rel="nofollow">https://www.oshonews.com/2016/09/06/osho-ko-hsuan-sexuality/</a></p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11651#comment-114756</link>
		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2024 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did reply to you last night, VT, but today when I looked my comment had completely disappeared, and Lokesh deleted some comments yesterday, I have proof of that,  so some of the comments ended up in the wrong order and also I noticed one of my comments with a  very  positive account from a  Ko Hsuan student for the Loveosho podcast had also dissapeared, been trashed. 

So I have had to rewrite it.  
 I also wrote that Osho.org doesn’t have any influence over this small site, that much I am sure. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did reply to you last night, VT, but today when I looked my comment had completely disappeared, and Lokesh deleted some comments yesterday, I have proof of that,  so some of the comments ended up in the wrong order and also I noticed one of my comments with a  very  positive account from a  Ko Hsuan student for the Loveosho podcast had also dissapeared, been trashed. </p>
<p>So I have had to rewrite it.<br />
 I also wrote that Osho.org doesn’t have any influence over this small site, that much I am sure. </p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am here so often these days because my bad knee keeps me away from going out, or even driving in my freelancer job - I have to admit.

I can see the mod coming in at least every half an hour. He has to allow each and every comment before it gets out in public - quite a fulltime job as a controle freak. Sorry, but that&#039;s just true. 

That&#039;s why the weird time delay of posts does happen which makes us confused because we can&#039;t see the discussion flow like a ususal discussion anymore, that should be in natural real time.
 
I am tired of this and I will pull back now. The pros and cons are mostly intelligent spoken here and the way the mod puts us all down in his kindergarten is not healthy anymore.

What kind of group with only four people is here to be controlled that way - all the time - with every word we say? Misbehaving fools have to be controlled because they may escape from the rules any moment? This is our bad karma it seems.

Love.

MOD:
Veet Tom, you&#039;re pretty new here and might not know that SN posts have always been subject to moderation, for good reasons, examples of which are your constant complaints that show how little experience you have both of SN and of how to run such a site. 

I suggest you read the following to educate yourself a little instead of whining about being so &#039;hard done by&#039;:

Apart from correcting basic mistakes in posts (eg spelling, grammar, use of language, punctuation, paragraphing - your own being a good example) so that they&#039;re well presented and easily readable, as well as making sure there&#039;s no undue personal abuse or irrelevant comments, allowing one or two people to post without prior moderation has resulted in problems like those people accusing one another of deleting each other&#039;s posts, which is an unwelcome drain on time and energy. 

Outside interference may be inevitable unfortunately, as is a degree of system malfunction, due to the technical deterioration of the site, but such internal interference is absolutely unacceptable, hence the need to withdraw this sort of freedom rather than making it apply to all contributors.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am here so often these days because my bad knee keeps me away from going out, or even driving in my freelancer job &#8211; I have to admit.</p>
<p>I can see the mod coming in at least every half an hour. He has to allow each and every comment before it gets out in public &#8211; quite a fulltime job as a controle freak. Sorry, but that&#8217;s just true. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the weird time delay of posts does happen which makes us confused because we can&#8217;t see the discussion flow like a ususal discussion anymore, that should be in natural real time.</p>
<p>I am tired of this and I will pull back now. The pros and cons are mostly intelligent spoken here and the way the mod puts us all down in his kindergarten is not healthy anymore.</p>
<p>What kind of group with only four people is here to be controlled that way &#8211; all the time &#8211; with every word we say? Misbehaving fools have to be controlled because they may escape from the rules any moment? This is our bad karma it seems.</p>
<p>Love.</p>
<p>MOD:<br />
Veet Tom, you&#8217;re pretty new here and might not know that SN posts have always been subject to moderation, for good reasons, examples of which are your constant complaints that show how little experience you have both of SN and of how to run such a site. </p>
<p>I suggest you read the following to educate yourself a little instead of whining about being so &#8216;hard done by&#8217;:</p>
<p>Apart from correcting basic mistakes in posts (eg spelling, grammar, use of language, punctuation, paragraphing &#8211; your own being a good example) so that they&#8217;re well presented and easily readable, as well as making sure there&#8217;s no undue personal abuse or irrelevant comments, allowing one or two people to post without prior moderation has resulted in problems like those people accusing one another of deleting each other&#8217;s posts, which is an unwelcome drain on time and energy. </p>
<p>Outside interference may be inevitable unfortunately, as is a degree of system malfunction, due to the technical deterioration of the site, but such internal interference is absolutely unacceptable, hence the need to withdraw this sort of freedom rather than making it apply to all contributors.</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11651#comment-114749</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2024 00:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My shorty: &quot; So be it&quot; at 11:04 pm was a reply to Nityaprem at 5:42 pm
 &quot;Relax, and let go.
 Make no effort.
 Be at peace.&quot;

The timeline goes along the time-stamp of the admin, not as a continuum and direct follow-up in real time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My shorty: &#8221; So be it&#8221; at 11:04 pm was a reply to Nityaprem at 5:42 pm<br />
 &#8220;Relax, and let go.<br />
 Make no effort.<br />
 Be at peace.&#8221;</p>
<p>The timeline goes along the time-stamp of the admin, not as a continuum and direct follow-up in real time.</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11651#comment-114748</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2024 23:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Shanti,

I got your comment via mail - and I can see it here on caravanserai. That area works well - just like boards usually do.
Yes, the things you mentioned above have disappeared to my eyes as well. Remarkable!

The mod helps me often enough and corrects my hurried mistakes whenever I in a friendly way ask him to do so...but he emphasises too often he is not deleting our comments.

I think he may be playing games, and he likes the authority of certain friends (like Lokesh) better - so they never, ever complain. That&#039;s fact. So doubt is needed as we the misfits may know very well...as far as I can see...

But there also is the possibility that the Osho.org has some hidden influence here. They usually tend do decide what fits with our good image and what can be excluded - for this is a public mirror after all.

Posted here now and sent by mail as well.

Love.

MOD:
&quot;The mod...emphasises too often he is not deleting our comments. I think he may be playing games....&quot;

Veet Tom, I have to emphasise this because you complain so much! 

If you think I delete anyone&#039;s comments without good reason (eg gratuitous personal abuse, obscenities etc., ie the &#039;rules&#039; and standards that everyone here is aware of) then you&#039;re choosing to create and believe an untruth - and ignoring the depleted condition of this site, not to mention some people&#039;s suspicions that it&#039;s at times under attack from malevolent (or would-be well meaning) forces (an idea that I neither agree nor disagree with, btw).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shanti,</p>
<p>I got your comment via mail &#8211; and I can see it here on caravanserai. That area works well &#8211; just like boards usually do.<br />
Yes, the things you mentioned above have disappeared to my eyes as well. Remarkable!</p>
<p>The mod helps me often enough and corrects my hurried mistakes whenever I in a friendly way ask him to do so&#8230;but he emphasises too often he is not deleting our comments.</p>
<p>I think he may be playing games, and he likes the authority of certain friends (like Lokesh) better &#8211; so they never, ever complain. That&#8217;s fact. So doubt is needed as we the misfits may know very well&#8230;as far as I can see&#8230;</p>
<p>But there also is the possibility that the Osho.org has some hidden influence here. They usually tend do decide what fits with our good image and what can be excluded &#8211; for this is a public mirror after all.</p>
<p>Posted here now and sent by mail as well.</p>
<p>Love.</p>
<p>MOD:<br />
&#8220;The mod&#8230;emphasises too often he is not deleting our comments. I think he may be playing games&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Veet Tom, I have to emphasise this because you complain so much! </p>
<p>If you think I delete anyone&#8217;s comments without good reason (eg gratuitous personal abuse, obscenities etc., ie the &#8216;rules&#8217; and standards that everyone here is aware of) then you&#8217;re choosing to create and believe an untruth &#8211; and ignoring the depleted condition of this site, not to mention some people&#8217;s suspicions that it&#8217;s at times under attack from malevolent (or would-be well meaning) forces (an idea that I neither agree nor disagree with, btw).</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11651#comment-114747</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2024 23:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Swamishanti says:
&quot;The comments got muddled around in the wrong order today.&quot; 

Lately that happened a lot to me also. The continuous thread is broken quite often - and then suddenly it works again. Caravanserai works out well in this concern - but just in one comment only.
The groups are broken as well, I tried it. A real thread and a to follow a full posting is even impossible there. 

A good board allows to open new threads for anyone - the real time-line works well - you get notified if you choose so - and time after time the old threads move to page 2, then 3 and so on. So old stuff disappears from the top pages and eyes but is not lost as well, and can be revived any time.
 
But the leading few, the inner circle so to say, don&#039;t want a new board. So we have to surrender...lol.

MOD:
There won&#039;t be a new board, VT, we don&#039;t have the resources or the expertise to manage that. SN has been on borrowed time, as it were, since Parmartha and Dharmen passed away in 2017/18. If it finally becomes more trouble than it&#039;s worth then it too will pass away, although hopefully it&#039;ll be somehow preserved, which of course is already partially happening via Lokesh&#039;s fine compilations, &#039;The Very Best and Worst of Sannyas News&#039;, Volumes 1 and 2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swamishanti says:<br />
&#8220;The comments got muddled around in the wrong order today.&#8221; </p>
<p>Lately that happened a lot to me also. The continuous thread is broken quite often &#8211; and then suddenly it works again. Caravanserai works out well in this concern &#8211; but just in one comment only.<br />
The groups are broken as well, I tried it. A real thread and a to follow a full posting is even impossible there. </p>
<p>A good board allows to open new threads for anyone &#8211; the real time-line works well &#8211; you get notified if you choose so &#8211; and time after time the old threads move to page 2, then 3 and so on. So old stuff disappears from the top pages and eyes but is not lost as well, and can be revived any time.</p>
<p>But the leading few, the inner circle so to say, don&#8217;t want a new board. So we have to surrender&#8230;lol.</p>
<p>MOD:<br />
There won&#8217;t be a new board, VT, we don&#8217;t have the resources or the expertise to manage that. SN has been on borrowed time, as it were, since Parmartha and Dharmen passed away in 2017/18. If it finally becomes more trouble than it&#8217;s worth then it too will pass away, although hopefully it&#8217;ll be somehow preserved, which of course is already partially happening via Lokesh&#8217;s fine compilations, &#8216;The Very Best and Worst of Sannyas News&#8217;, Volumes 1 and 2.</p>
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