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		<title>By: satchit</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2024 08:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In the end there is too much there to discount, the mask of the guru comes off and he turns out to not merely be an ordinary human, but he set the tone for much of the sexual abuse and abuse of power on the Ranch. If you were there, the Facebook groups where the community is discussing these things are open to you, and you can go read the first-hand accounts for yourself.

The further away you were from the centre of things on the Ranch, the easier it was to be happy in the illusion of spirituality.&quot;

NP, you are not enlightened. How can an unenlightened mind judge enlightenment and its results?

You will always fail and certainly you will find other minds who fail too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the end there is too much there to discount, the mask of the guru comes off and he turns out to not merely be an ordinary human, but he set the tone for much of the sexual abuse and abuse of power on the Ranch. If you were there, the Facebook groups where the community is discussing these things are open to you, and you can go read the first-hand accounts for yourself.</p>
<p>The further away you were from the centre of things on the Ranch, the easier it was to be happy in the illusion of spirituality.&#8221;</p>
<p>NP, you are not enlightened. How can an unenlightened mind judge enlightenment and its results?</p>
<p>You will always fail and certainly you will find other minds who fail too.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might be getting a bit too caught up in the emotional turmoil currently circulating in facebook, Nityaprem. 

It&#039;s unfair to claim &quot;he set the tone for much of the sexual abuse and abuse of power on the Ranch&quot;. Osho didn&#039;t have sex with under-age children and he made it clear that he wanted the communes&#039; kids to be looked after by the community rather than or in addition to their parents. (Perhaps his own very happy experience of spending much time with his grandparents rather than his actual parents encouraged him in this policy).

And as you seem to suggest, the vast majority of people at the Ranch (and in Pune) didn&#039;t know what his prvate life was like, or even whether he had a sex life (except presumably, with Vivek) which of course is why the recent revelations are pretty shocking to many, including me: the apparent lack of love for the women concerned and his wish to keep these meetings secret. (If I were a man so treated by a female &#039;guru&#039; I&#039;m sure I&#039;d be angry, disillusioned too). 

It does sound like a middle-aged man from a repressive cultual conditioning in 1930s/40s/50s etc. India unable to contain himself any longer given his status among thousands of attractive young western women, however physically restricted he might have been. He might well have been curious to see whether he still &#039;had what it took&#039; to &#039;perform&#039;. Well, he often said he was &quot;just an ordinary man&quot;...

Although maybe he had an ulterior motive, as also might apply to the &#039;watch rage&#039; incident:

Re the bejewelled watch outburst, well, perhaps he had his reasons to act like that (as Swamishanti has suggested), eg maybe he deliberately exaggerated this attraction for a symbol of great wealth, acting it out, as it were, as a means of remaining rooted in this human life, in the body-mind with its desires and attachments, in order to keep on with his people, resisting the urge to &#039;dissolve&#039; for the greater purpose of helping us. And likewise, a similar motive might have applied to his sex assignations. Or, was it that he simply remained an Indian from an averagely well-off (by Indian standards) background for whom such &#039;baubles&#039; still exerted a fascination, however enlightened, wise and &#039;beyond it all&#039; he was assumed to be.

As for his remarks about Sheela, well, frankly, she got off pretty lightly, all things considered. His judgment in appointing her was flawed but still, she and her wretched cabal were responsible for much that went wrong at the Ranch. And let&#039;s not forget that for a very long time Osho lived in seclusion, well away from the daily life of the commune, not in the most robust condition, relying on what Sheela told him.

Finally, as I&#039;ve said before, I&#039;m not on the side of those who condemn Osho, regarding him as a hypocritical fraud. One lesson to come from the recent controversial revelations has been that enlightenment does not necessarily imply 100% &#039;perfection&#039;. I think we need to bear in mind the enormous work Osho did in order to &#039;wake up&#039; his people. And to realise that he took on one hell of a task. 

I say his people are and future generations will be hugely indebted to him for taking on such a task that one might say was and is demanded by the times, inspiring so many to pave the way for a new life for themselves and others. The huge good he gave us, the vast perspective he embodied and shared, the love, the joy, the celebration, the guidance, the gift of his silence, are still there, now embedded in the human psyche and therefore available as a resource for humanity to draw upon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be getting a bit too caught up in the emotional turmoil currently circulating in facebook, Nityaprem. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfair to claim &#8220;he set the tone for much of the sexual abuse and abuse of power on the Ranch&#8221;. Osho didn&#8217;t have sex with under-age children and he made it clear that he wanted the communes&#8217; kids to be looked after by the community rather than or in addition to their parents. (Perhaps his own very happy experience of spending much time with his grandparents rather than his actual parents encouraged him in this policy).</p>
<p>And as you seem to suggest, the vast majority of people at the Ranch (and in Pune) didn&#8217;t know what his prvate life was like, or even whether he had a sex life (except presumably, with Vivek) which of course is why the recent revelations are pretty shocking to many, including me: the apparent lack of love for the women concerned and his wish to keep these meetings secret. (If I were a man so treated by a female &#8216;guru&#8217; I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be angry, disillusioned too). </p>
<p>It does sound like a middle-aged man from a repressive cultual conditioning in 1930s/40s/50s etc. India unable to contain himself any longer given his status among thousands of attractive young western women, however physically restricted he might have been. He might well have been curious to see whether he still &#8216;had what it took&#8217; to &#8216;perform&#8217;. Well, he often said he was &#8220;just an ordinary man&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Although maybe he had an ulterior motive, as also might apply to the &#8216;watch rage&#8217; incident:</p>
<p>Re the bejewelled watch outburst, well, perhaps he had his reasons to act like that (as Swamishanti has suggested), eg maybe he deliberately exaggerated this attraction for a symbol of great wealth, acting it out, as it were, as a means of remaining rooted in this human life, in the body-mind with its desires and attachments, in order to keep on with his people, resisting the urge to &#8216;dissolve&#8217; for the greater purpose of helping us. And likewise, a similar motive might have applied to his sex assignations. Or, was it that he simply remained an Indian from an averagely well-off (by Indian standards) background for whom such &#8216;baubles&#8217; still exerted a fascination, however enlightened, wise and &#8216;beyond it all&#8217; he was assumed to be.</p>
<p>As for his remarks about Sheela, well, frankly, she got off pretty lightly, all things considered. His judgment in appointing her was flawed but still, she and her wretched cabal were responsible for much that went wrong at the Ranch. And let&#8217;s not forget that for a very long time Osho lived in seclusion, well away from the daily life of the commune, not in the most robust condition, relying on what Sheela told him.</p>
<p>Finally, as I&#8217;ve said before, I&#8217;m not on the side of those who condemn Osho, regarding him as a hypocritical fraud. One lesson to come from the recent controversial revelations has been that enlightenment does not necessarily imply 100% &#8216;perfection&#8217;. I think we need to bear in mind the enormous work Osho did in order to &#8216;wake up&#8217; his people. And to realise that he took on one hell of a task. </p>
<p>I say his people are and future generations will be hugely indebted to him for taking on such a task that one might say was and is demanded by the times, inspiring so many to pave the way for a new life for themselves and others. The huge good he gave us, the vast perspective he embodied and shared, the love, the joy, the celebration, the guidance, the gift of his silence, are still there, now embedded in the human psyche and therefore available as a resource for humanity to draw upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11568#comment-116083</link>
		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just an addendum to the article…

The personal stories placed by eyewitnesses on Facebook which I have been reading only recently do make a difference to all this. It’s not that he had a sex life, but that he did not seem to care about the pleasure of his female partners. It’s not that he had bejewelled watches, it’s that he got angry when he was denied another one. It’s not that he didn’t stop Sheela on the Ranch, it’s that he made spiteful remarks about her being raped as a young girl, in discourse after she left.

In the end there is too much there to discount, the mask of the guru comes off and he turns out to not merely be an ordinary human, but he set the tone for much of the sexual abuse and abuse of power on the Ranch. If you were there, the Facebook groups where the community is discussing these things are open to you, and you can go read the first-hand accounts for yourself.

The further away you were from the centre of things on the Ranch, the easier it was to be happy in the illusion of spirituality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an addendum to the article…</p>
<p>The personal stories placed by eyewitnesses on Facebook which I have been reading only recently do make a difference to all this. It’s not that he had a sex life, but that he did not seem to care about the pleasure of his female partners. It’s not that he had bejewelled watches, it’s that he got angry when he was denied another one. It’s not that he didn’t stop Sheela on the Ranch, it’s that he made spiteful remarks about her being raped as a young girl, in discourse after she left.</p>
<p>In the end there is too much there to discount, the mask of the guru comes off and he turns out to not merely be an ordinary human, but he set the tone for much of the sexual abuse and abuse of power on the Ranch. If you were there, the Facebook groups where the community is discussing these things are open to you, and you can go read the first-hand accounts for yourself.</p>
<p>The further away you were from the centre of things on the Ranch, the easier it was to be happy in the illusion of spirituality.</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11568#comment-114437</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, mod!
That was a helpful hint!
Tom]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, mod!<br />
That was a helpful hint!<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11568#comment-114433</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2. OSHO: What Is Happening In Israel Is Nothing New

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnOvQWYPXv8]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. OSHO: What Is Happening In Israel Is Nothing New</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnOvQWYPXv8" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnOvQWYPXv8</a></p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11568#comment-114432</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Bhagwan’s Jewish Problem

https://newrepublic.com/article/147864/bhagwans-jewish-problem?fbclid=IwAR2ME0MdbbmKt0oJq-17teWXdgZl2bVfeKQlJth5rVKuVqmV8e29m6h9d7k]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Bhagwan’s Jewish Problem</p>
<p><a href="https://newrepublic.com/article/147864/bhagwans-jewish-problem?fbclid=IwAR2ME0MdbbmKt0oJq-17teWXdgZl2bVfeKQlJth5rVKuVqmV8e29m6h9d7k" rel="nofollow">https://newrepublic.com/article/147864/bhagwans-jewish-problem?fbclid=IwAR2ME0MdbbmKt0oJq-17teWXdgZl2bVfeKQlJth5rVKuVqmV8e29m6h9d7k</a></p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11568#comment-114431</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The press office can&#039;t easily give any word from Osho out of their hands - as we all know. Those Osho-Videos in social media are mostly easy to digest for people who do not know HIS ways of hammering our walls. So this Osho video is just an easy historical lecture everybody can agree to.

Osho about Jews now ? Very easy to misinterpret quite obviously. Just look at this very old article (in the two posts, below) that at least seems to have some understanding - if you read it to the end. 
1. Bhagwan’s Jewish Problem 
2. OSHO: What Is Happening In Israel Is Nothing New]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press office can&#8217;t easily give any word from Osho out of their hands &#8211; as we all know. Those Osho-Videos in social media are mostly easy to digest for people who do not know HIS ways of hammering our walls. So this Osho video is just an easy historical lecture everybody can agree to.</p>
<p>Osho about Jews now ? Very easy to misinterpret quite obviously. Just look at this very old article (in the two posts, below) that at least seems to have some understanding &#8211; if you read it to the end.<br />
1. Bhagwan’s Jewish Problem<br />
2. OSHO: What Is Happening In Israel Is Nothing New</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/11568#comment-114244</link>
		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saswad - I also worked...even &quot;meditated&quot; there while sitting silently at the well on warm, dark nights with no moon. Five guards (strictly non-talking) in a circle around the open waterhole. This drinking water source for our castle had to be safeguarded because hostile poisoning was thought to be possible.

Yes, the celebration bus convoy to the fortress also happened in my days - climbing the mountain peak for the official opening of the &quot;new commune&quot;, then having Puri for lunch in white tents outside the fortress.

If you dive deep down in the timeline of https://www.facebook.com/groups/sannyaslostandfound you may see more photos, articles and Osho quotes about Saswad -  btw, it&#039;s a hotel now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saswad &#8211; I also worked&#8230;even &#8220;meditated&#8221; there while sitting silently at the well on warm, dark nights with no moon. Five guards (strictly non-talking) in a circle around the open waterhole. This drinking water source for our castle had to be safeguarded because hostile poisoning was thought to be possible.</p>
<p>Yes, the celebration bus convoy to the fortress also happened in my days &#8211; climbing the mountain peak for the official opening of the &#8220;new commune&#8221;, then having Puri for lunch in white tents outside the fortress.</p>
<p>If you dive deep down in the timeline of <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/sannyaslostandfound" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/groups/sannyaslostandfound</a> you may see more photos, articles and Osho quotes about Saswad &#8211;  btw, it&#8217;s a hotel now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saswad. I worked there for a few weeks...oops...worshipped. In the beginning, hundreds of sannyasins were bussed out to see the site of the &#039;new commune&#039;. In the end, it did not happen. Wandering about in the bone countryside one could see brightly coloured placards proclaiming this would be the site of the new Buddha Hall, Krishna House etc. There was gaiety and excitement about cutting into a new frontier. It was all just a dreamless dream.

MOD:
Lokesh: &quot;bone countryside&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saswad. I worked there for a few weeks&#8230;oops&#8230;worshipped. In the beginning, hundreds of sannyasins were bussed out to see the site of the &#8216;new commune&#8217;. In the end, it did not happen. Wandering about in the bone countryside one could see brightly coloured placards proclaiming this would be the site of the new Buddha Hall, Krishna House etc. There was gaiety and excitement about cutting into a new frontier. It was all just a dreamless dream.</p>
<p>MOD:<br />
Lokesh: &#8220;bone countryside&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeetTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The admin corrects or changes some words of mine which sometimes may be really needed. I like it when it doesn&#039;t change the content - but that may also be unclear at times? I do claim no absolute copyright here, so that&#039;s OK. 

I am puzzled to have an editor trying his best to make a book or magazine out of this (again)? ;-)

Thanks for having me! (as they say in broadcasted interviews).

MOD:
Veet Tom, let us know when you&#039;re unhappy with anything that&#039;s been altered, as it&#039;s occasionally difficult to know exactly what you mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The admin corrects or changes some words of mine which sometimes may be really needed. I like it when it doesn&#8217;t change the content &#8211; but that may also be unclear at times? I do claim no absolute copyright here, so that&#8217;s OK. </p>
<p>I am puzzled to have an editor trying his best to make a book or magazine out of this (again)? <img src='http://sannyasnews.org/now/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for having me! (as they say in broadcasted interviews).</p>
<p>MOD:<br />
Veet Tom, let us know when you&#8217;re unhappy with anything that&#8217;s been altered, as it&#8217;s occasionally difficult to know exactly what you mean.</p>
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