Comments on: The Growth Groups

By: sannyasnews

sannyasnews — Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:51:54 +0000

This string is now closed as it is long off topic, but please start your own strings on the caravanserai.

By: jay. c. pennie

jay. c. pennie — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:02:24 +0000

Arpana” at least we agree on this one point

By: jay. c. pennie

jay. c. pennie — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:01:45 +0000

same with Ram Dass, you guys believe his stories, and claim them to be factual.. he very well could have made all of this shit up… loko: i don’t trust your word that he actually did do those things- any proof? oh yeah- you heard it from a ” close”sannyasin “friend”, or someone “reliable”… one thing you obviously forgot- there were never any “close”, “reliable” sannyasins.. Sannyas history proved it. Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble– that’s the truth, same with sannyasins looking to osho as an “infallible” person with infinite wisdom- truth hurts

By: jay. c. pennie

jay. c. pennie — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:30:46 +0000

you must be joking with that statement alok!!! “I think it is clear… “Oshism” was needed to save the planet…” firstly, the planet needs no saving… humans do. So with that said , you are already on a misguided path.. time to backtrack and look again, what Osho was/is all about.

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:23:24 +0000

Alok
I would hold it to be self-evident that when it became clear that Sheela and her gang had clearly goofed up in a big way and he became fully aware of it that was the point he began speaking. (Nov/Dec 1984).
I do recall in 1981 he went on about us being ready to receive him in silence, etc, but clearly that did not apply to the organisers, as he did once point out Sheela had never meditated. She also used to fall asleep in discourse which I witnessed.
Why not start a string on the silent period as you say it needs more discussion.

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:37:04 +0000

Hindu lore abounds with fantastic yogi tales. Paramahansa Yogananda’s ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’ probably takes the cake. One story concerns Sri Yukteswar getting an arm chopped off by a local cop’s sword. The master picks up his severed arm, tells the grief-stricken cop not to worry and then walks off. Quite soon after he shows up again. His arm is as good as new with no scaring. He must have used a lot of Vitamin E (E for enlightenment).

By: frank

frank — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:33:20 +0000

teertha,
another pillar to add to meditation therapy and drugs could be philosophy.
i know its a bit of a dirty word in sannyas cicles,evoking pictures of unjuicy repressed guys totally stuck in the heads who obviously were`nt getting enough sex (call the gorilla)…
but gurdjieff and especially ouspensky owed a lot to freddie.
there was more than a strong whiff of the “superman” about their worldview…
and what was osho doing in his room whilst people`s wives were getting shagged senseless next door by gorillas?
reading philosphy literally by the crate load…

By: frank

frank — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:51:57 +0000

all things considered…..going to india on a spiritual search because rumour had it that there was a guy there who was permanently tripping on self-generated acid was probably a better reason than going there because some famous cheese-head psychotherapist punched some german chicks` lights out…

By: frank

frank — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:43:42 +0000

isn`t the karoli baba acid story just another enlightened super-hero story?
like all those “siddhis” a la autobiog of a yogi– tales like living for a few hundred years in himalaya,flying,not eating etc
and gurdjieff`s conscious boozing?

that reminds me of the story osho told about when g threw ouspensky`s suitcase out of a moving train as some kind of teaching. g was “pretending to be drunk” at the time as some kind of gurdjieffian device…
an amazing piece of method acting for sure!

By: frank

frank — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:40:42 +0000

i agree with lokesh about the psychedelic influence.
what percentage of all folks going to india and poona had taken it,i wonder?
a high percentage for sure.
most of the satoris people had in those days were probably flashbacks…..

about ram das…..
of course what an old geezer did or didn`t stick down his blanket in the hills 40 years ago is up for endless debate like most of the subjects here on sn.
apparently,terrence mckenna reckoned he “palmed it”.he wasn`t there though….
for myself,i just dont see why it would be true- ramdas` poor record with telling the truth to his disciples hiding his gayness etc…might be one angle.
and if they had given him battery acid,for examplewould he have just sat there?did he never get the shits?
he was only immune to spiritual chemicals?
but still,as our freddie said:
whether something is true or a lie doesn`t matter,the real criterion of truth is if it is useful to humanity or not…
(that is the basis of a philosophy or religion that is “beyond good and evil”).
osho must have agreed here…
in this case all the tripped out hippies thought: “i could do with some of that” and started heading east….
job done….

alan watts was another tripper who played a big part in the enlightentertainment story (the greatest story ever told?)
funny that osho acknowledged him by dedicating his nitrous trips books to him…that was a bit of a quiet nod,i would say.
it seems alan watts was the first to say….

“i am not serious,i am sincere”
“god is not serious”
“meditation is really supposed to be fun
i have great difficculy in presenting this view as everyone takes any thing to do with religion with the utmost seriousness”

osho talked up that othe boozer gurdjieff,but i would say his message was a million miles nearer to alan watts…..