If Lokesh reads something from me, immediately his inner Pavlov dog starts barking.

You have activated the Tosser detection system!:
https://youtu.be/5ns0LSrIrRE

I know what I wrote about Veet’s disappearing comments sounds unlikely but I did witness that. And I have witnessed that on other platforms too. And I have some screenshots that prove that.

There is some manipulation on the internet, where Osho is concerned, it is still important to some that he is put down as much as possible, including some large Christian anti-Osho writers who use links to this site, and just recently it has come to light that some comments have been deleted and edited from this site over the years, and whoever has done this has been hidden from the edit log.

I would advise people to check their comments once in a while after posting.

SD: you wrote “ Shanti, “argument and debate” seems to be exactly what you disapprove of here, are threatened or at times disgusted by.” . No, not disapprove of at all, but the constant repetition of ‘oh, it was all a con, I don’t trust him anymore, sannyasins who trust are delusional or gullible…’ this has become the standard line for many years and it is why the site is unpopular with thousands of sannyasins but popular with Roman Catholic anti-cult demons.

Of course, a parrot has been conditioned to parrot what it hears and, in this case, the parrot heard some utter nonsense and parroted it.

As we all know, there are plenty of people running around who have been conditioned not to react always in the same way and can be highly unpredictable. In some cases dangerously unpredictable, to the point that they need locking up.

You cannot “free your mind”. The mind freeing the mind does not function, because the mind interprets it as something wrong with you, which is not true.

By understanding, growing and deconditioning happens.

I’ve often wondered about freedom from conditioning. The thing about conditioning is it’s not so easy to spot. It generally carries you along in its grasp of habits which form the patterns of your life, and you only notice what was a conditioned habit by the time you are already leaving it behind. Except that sometimes you encounter people with very different habits, and by examining the contrast you get an insight into your own patterns.

I suppose you could follow the idea of “freedom from the known” and view everything as a pattern, inquiring where things come from and why you are attached to it. A thorough person could examine everything from his sleep, his clothes, his breakfast, his work…but untangling all that would take a while.

The thing is also once you have identified all your conditioned patterns, how do you know that you’ve actually disposed of them?

SD: No, not at all threatened or disgusted by debate. But fully aware that the ‘anti-cult’ ex-sannyasins , using their old sannyas have dominated the site for years, caused all the old timers to leave and not bother with giving it any energy anymore. Because arguing with them often involves descriptions of experiences with Osho that they are unwilling to accept.

With the pattern, “I am right, so the other must be wrong!”

SHANTI: yes, I’m aware that I could do that.