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		<title>By: VeetTom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clear point. Well said.

One of the ugliest unwritten rules in all communes is the dictate to be positive concernig the group-mind.

This was/is the main destructive point in Sannyas-thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear point. Well said.</p>
<p>One of the ugliest unwritten rules in all communes is the dictate to be positive concernig the group-mind.</p>
<p>This was/is the main destructive point in Sannyas-thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/10142#comment-110936</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2022 12:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hey, hey, my, my,
out of the blue 
into the dark...&quot;

SS, I guess this song will never leave me unless I will be demented or alzheimered:

I was sitting in a pie shop on Freak Street in Kathmandu after like 8 months of travelling in India. Totally alone, nobody else in the coffee shop, fully absorbed in myself. Wondering how I got here.
When suddenly from the loudspeakers these words came on:
&quot;Hey hey, my my,
Rock &#039;n&#039; Roll will never die.&quot;
Neil Young&#039;s voice right into my ears. Hearing-feeling-space.

A unique moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, hey, my, my,<br />
out of the blue<br />
into the dark&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>SS, I guess this song will never leave me unless I will be demented or alzheimered:</p>
<p>I was sitting in a pie shop on Freak Street in Kathmandu after like 8 months of travelling in India. Totally alone, nobody else in the coffee shop, fully absorbed in myself. Wondering how I got here.<br />
When suddenly from the loudspeakers these words came on:<br />
&#8220;Hey hey, my my,<br />
Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Roll will never die.&#8221;<br />
Neil Young&#8217;s voice right into my ears. Hearing-feeling-space.</p>
<p>A unique moment.</p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/10142#comment-110929</link>
		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2022 16:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And while we’re on the subject of Neil Young, the ‘Godfather of Grunge’..

&quot;Hey, hey, my my/ rock and roll will never die/
There’s more to the picture than meets the eye...&quot;

https://youtu.be/w_hoW6qmeOo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while we’re on the subject of Neil Young, the ‘Godfather of Grunge’..</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, hey, my my/ rock and roll will never die/<br />
There’s more to the picture than meets the eye&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/w_hoW6qmeOo" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/w_hoW6qmeOo</a></p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/10142#comment-110928</link>
		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2022 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Klaus, I enjoyed writing that last post. 

I have also enjoyed Neil Young’s music for many years. 

‘Pocahontas’ by Neil Young and Crazy Horse rock version with lyrics: 

https://youtu.be/zVjcvPhl1cc

“…And maybe Marlon Brando
Will be there by the fire
We&#039;ll sit and talk of Hollywood
And the good things there for hire
And the Astrodome
and the first tepee
Marlon Brando, Pocahontas and me
Marlon Brando, Pocahontas and me…
POCAHONTAS.” 

In 1973 Marlon Brando chose not to accept his Oscar award for Best Actor for his role in &#039;The Godfather&#039;. He refused to take the stage in protest at Hollywood&#039;s often derogatory and racist portrayal of Native Americans in film. Instead, he sent Native American actress Sacheen Littlefeather to attend the ceremony in his place. On stage, she read a statement by Mr. Brando condemning the entertainment industry for their mockery of Native Americans. 

I prefer the original acoustic version of the song sung by Neil Young on ‘Rust never sleeps’: 

https://youtu.be/p13gx9wnNBc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Klaus, I enjoyed writing that last post. </p>
<p>I have also enjoyed Neil Young’s music for many years. </p>
<p>‘Pocahontas’ by Neil Young and Crazy Horse rock version with lyrics: </p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/zVjcvPhl1cc" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/zVjcvPhl1cc</a></p>
<p>“…And maybe Marlon Brando<br />
Will be there by the fire<br />
We&#8217;ll sit and talk of Hollywood<br />
And the good things there for hire<br />
And the Astrodome<br />
and the first tepee<br />
Marlon Brando, Pocahontas and me<br />
Marlon Brando, Pocahontas and me…<br />
POCAHONTAS.” </p>
<p>In 1973 Marlon Brando chose not to accept his Oscar award for Best Actor for his role in &#8216;The Godfather&#8217;. He refused to take the stage in protest at Hollywood&#8217;s often derogatory and racist portrayal of Native Americans in film. Instead, he sent Native American actress Sacheen Littlefeather to attend the ceremony in his place. On stage, she read a statement by Mr. Brando condemning the entertainment industry for their mockery of Native Americans. </p>
<p>I prefer the original acoustic version of the song sung by Neil Young on ‘Rust never sleeps’: </p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/p13gx9wnNBc" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/p13gx9wnNBc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/10142#comment-110927</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2022 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Swamishanti.

Quite an extensive and  fine research you did there!

We indeed should catch our dream(s)...

I have a musical day today (again)...

&quot;Bury me out on the prairie - where the buffalo used to roam...&quot;
Neil Young

And then I found Kaleidoscope, a 60s psychedelic band with David Lindley:
&quot;Keep your mind open -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ir4uz6FcY

Recommended!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Swamishanti.</p>
<p>Quite an extensive and  fine research you did there!</p>
<p>We indeed should catch our dream(s)&#8230;</p>
<p>I have a musical day today (again)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Bury me out on the prairie &#8211; where the buffalo used to roam&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Neil Young</p>
<p>And then I found Kaleidoscope, a 60s psychedelic band with David Lindley:<br />
&#8220;Keep your mind open -<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ir4uz6FcY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ir4uz6FcY</a></p>
<p>Recommended!</p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/10142#comment-110924</link>
		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2022 15:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank Existence for Osho who helped to move his people out of the puritanical Christian doctrine of sexual abstinence and ‘secret codes’ that forbade them to have sex with their ‘students’.

This is very different from the Indian tantric approach known as “giving energy”, where an enlightened master can help to raise consciousness sexually to a partner or multiple partners. 

Of course traditionally the Catholic monks and nuns would take a vow of strict celibacy and condemn and fight with sex, and live in same sex monasteries, and we all know what takes place in those monasteries. 

Many modern American spiritual advaita teachers who visited Pappaji,(HWL Poonja) , Gangaji and Andrew Cohen for example, still have the heavy Christian conditioning and tend to expect their ‘students’ to lead a life of strict monagamous marriage. 

Poonja’s daughter was married to a sannyasin, and Mooji is one of those who stayed with Poonja in the long term. 

One of the things I  love and respect  about the Native American tribal culture and spiritual traditions was their earthiness  and their  acceptance of their bodies, the bodies and spirits of the animals and respect of nature of the world around them. 
Native Americans  had no guilt or fear in their attitudes towards sexual relationships , very unlike the holier than thou spirituality of the white  Christian missionaries who later came to convert and repress them, the same type of Catholic spirituality that attempts to deny and censor Maharaj’s sexuality and condemns Osho today. 

The spiritual elders and visionaries, the medicine men of the Native American tribes lived very down to earth,  ordinary  lives in harmony with nature and and made music , hunted together, smoked with the rest  and had healthy sexual relationships. Still, they had the ancient knowledge of the One  and keys whereby they could access the  spirit world. 

The native Americans  recognized sexuality as a great gift from Nature with also the power to heal, to create, and to bring people together. Many Native languages didn’t even have a word for neither  “prison” or “jail”.

Not only were natives in their early teens having sex but their parents were actively finding good sexual partners for them. In India, arranged marriages by the parents, sometimes before birth is still more common. 


The Wendat (Huron) are an Native American people whose descendants live in four communities across North America – in Quebec, Michigan, Kansas and Oklahoma. 
Their ancestors of the 17th century became well-known in Europe because of the writings of Catholic missionaries who lived with them.

The Wendat  practiced collective rituals when someone was sick. Different “curing ceremonies” could be attempted, including one called ‘Ononharoia’, “turning the brain upside down”,  and involved the analysis and acting out of dreams.

In practice, it meant that a sick person would describe their dreams, and their community, out of “concern for the welfare” of the sick person, would act them out.

Brother Gabriel Sagard, a member of the Recollect order, not a Jesuit, observed during his stay with the Wendat in 1623-24 a significant healing ceremonial event in the culture. 

“In the Huron country there are also assemblies of all the girls in a town at a sick woman’s couch, either at her request according to an imagination [vision] or dream she may have had, or by order of the Oki [shaman] for her health and recovery. 

When the girls are thus assembled they are all asked, one after another, which of the young men of the town they would like to sleep with them the next night. Each names one, and these are immediately notified by the masters of the ceremony and all come in the evening to sleep with those who have chosen them, in the presence of the sick woman, from one end of the lodge to the other, and they pass the whole night thus, while the two chiefs at the two ends of the house sing and rattle their tortoise-shells from evening till the following morning, when the ceremony is concluded.”

But Sagard did not speak of the name of this ceremony. 

The first one to do so was Jesuit Father Jerome Lalemant, writing in 1639. He wrote of an old man, Taorhenche, who was dying.
Taorhenche wished for sufficient cornmeal to feed the people involved in the festivities, other unnamed ceremonies. At the end there was to be:

“The ceremony of the ‘endakwandet’, a mating of men with girls, which is made at the end of the feast. He specified that there should be 12 girls, and a thirteenth for himself.

“The answer being brought to the council, he was furnished immediately with what could be given at once, and this from the liberality and voluntary contributions of individuals who were present there and heard the matter mentioned, – these peoples glorying, on such occasions, in despoiling themselves of the most precious things they have.
 Afterward, the Captains went through the streets and public places, and through the cabins, announcing in a loud voice the desires of the sick man, and exhorting people to satisfy them promptly.

“They are not content to go on this errand once – they repeat it three or four times, using such terms and accents that, indeed, one would think that the welfare of the whole country was at stake. Meanwhile, they take care to note the names of the girls and men who present themselves to carry out the principal desire of the sick man; and in the assembly of the feast these are named aloud, after which follow the congratulations of all those present, and the best pieces … then ensue the thanks of the sick man for the health that has been restored to him, professing himself entirely cured by this remedy.”

The name of the ceremony was ‘endakwandet’, which literally means “they (indefinite) are enveloped in sex.” If you wished for the ceremony, you would say “tayendakwandeten” – be enveloped in sex for me. 

The Jesuit missionaries fought to suppress this custom. By 1649, when the Wendat were on the brink of being driven out of their traditional territory, the most Christian of the communities refused to hold this ceremony. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank Existence for Osho who helped to move his people out of the puritanical Christian doctrine of sexual abstinence and ‘secret codes’ that forbade them to have sex with their ‘students’.</p>
<p>This is very different from the Indian tantric approach known as “giving energy”, where an enlightened master can help to raise consciousness sexually to a partner or multiple partners. </p>
<p>Of course traditionally the Catholic monks and nuns would take a vow of strict celibacy and condemn and fight with sex, and live in same sex monasteries, and we all know what takes place in those monasteries. </p>
<p>Many modern American spiritual advaita teachers who visited Pappaji,(HWL Poonja) , Gangaji and Andrew Cohen for example, still have the heavy Christian conditioning and tend to expect their ‘students’ to lead a life of strict monagamous marriage. </p>
<p>Poonja’s daughter was married to a sannyasin, and Mooji is one of those who stayed with Poonja in the long term. </p>
<p>One of the things I  love and respect  about the Native American tribal culture and spiritual traditions was their earthiness  and their  acceptance of their bodies, the bodies and spirits of the animals and respect of nature of the world around them.<br />
Native Americans  had no guilt or fear in their attitudes towards sexual relationships , very unlike the holier than thou spirituality of the white  Christian missionaries who later came to convert and repress them, the same type of Catholic spirituality that attempts to deny and censor Maharaj’s sexuality and condemns Osho today. </p>
<p>The spiritual elders and visionaries, the medicine men of the Native American tribes lived very down to earth,  ordinary  lives in harmony with nature and and made music , hunted together, smoked with the rest  and had healthy sexual relationships. Still, they had the ancient knowledge of the One  and keys whereby they could access the  spirit world. </p>
<p>The native Americans  recognized sexuality as a great gift from Nature with also the power to heal, to create, and to bring people together. Many Native languages didn’t even have a word for neither  “prison” or “jail”.</p>
<p>Not only were natives in their early teens having sex but their parents were actively finding good sexual partners for them. In India, arranged marriages by the parents, sometimes before birth is still more common. </p>
<p>The Wendat (Huron) are an Native American people whose descendants live in four communities across North America – in Quebec, Michigan, Kansas and Oklahoma.<br />
Their ancestors of the 17th century became well-known in Europe because of the writings of Catholic missionaries who lived with them.</p>
<p>The Wendat  practiced collective rituals when someone was sick. Different “curing ceremonies” could be attempted, including one called ‘Ononharoia’, “turning the brain upside down”,  and involved the analysis and acting out of dreams.</p>
<p>In practice, it meant that a sick person would describe their dreams, and their community, out of “concern for the welfare” of the sick person, would act them out.</p>
<p>Brother Gabriel Sagard, a member of the Recollect order, not a Jesuit, observed during his stay with the Wendat in 1623-24 a significant healing ceremonial event in the culture. </p>
<p>“In the Huron country there are also assemblies of all the girls in a town at a sick woman’s couch, either at her request according to an imagination [vision] or dream she may have had, or by order of the Oki [shaman] for her health and recovery. </p>
<p>When the girls are thus assembled they are all asked, one after another, which of the young men of the town they would like to sleep with them the next night. Each names one, and these are immediately notified by the masters of the ceremony and all come in the evening to sleep with those who have chosen them, in the presence of the sick woman, from one end of the lodge to the other, and they pass the whole night thus, while the two chiefs at the two ends of the house sing and rattle their tortoise-shells from evening till the following morning, when the ceremony is concluded.”</p>
<p>But Sagard did not speak of the name of this ceremony. </p>
<p>The first one to do so was Jesuit Father Jerome Lalemant, writing in 1639. He wrote of an old man, Taorhenche, who was dying.<br />
Taorhenche wished for sufficient cornmeal to feed the people involved in the festivities, other unnamed ceremonies. At the end there was to be:</p>
<p>“The ceremony of the ‘endakwandet’, a mating of men with girls, which is made at the end of the feast. He specified that there should be 12 girls, and a thirteenth for himself.</p>
<p>“The answer being brought to the council, he was furnished immediately with what could be given at once, and this from the liberality and voluntary contributions of individuals who were present there and heard the matter mentioned, – these peoples glorying, on such occasions, in despoiling themselves of the most precious things they have.<br />
 Afterward, the Captains went through the streets and public places, and through the cabins, announcing in a loud voice the desires of the sick man, and exhorting people to satisfy them promptly.</p>
<p>“They are not content to go on this errand once – they repeat it three or four times, using such terms and accents that, indeed, one would think that the welfare of the whole country was at stake. Meanwhile, they take care to note the names of the girls and men who present themselves to carry out the principal desire of the sick man; and in the assembly of the feast these are named aloud, after which follow the congratulations of all those present, and the best pieces … then ensue the thanks of the sick man for the health that has been restored to him, professing himself entirely cured by this remedy.”</p>
<p>The name of the ceremony was ‘endakwandet’, which literally means “they (indefinite) are enveloped in sex.” If you wished for the ceremony, you would say “tayendakwandeten” – be enveloped in sex for me. </p>
<p>The Jesuit missionaries fought to suppress this custom. By 1649, when the Wendat were on the brink of being driven out of their traditional territory, the most Christian of the communities refused to hold this ceremony. </p>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
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		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2022 11:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe one should consider the fact that there is a difference between &quot;thinking positive&quot; and &quot;saying yes to life and existence&quot;. The first one is mental, the second is religious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one should consider the fact that there is a difference between &#8220;thinking positive&#8221; and &#8220;saying yes to life and existence&#8221;. The first one is mental, the second is religious.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the story of a young man granted a lengthy profound insight into what we&#039;re part of/ what we essentially are, ending with the full healing of a severe, otherwise fatal illness.

It&#039;s struck me today that these near-death-experiences, although based on actual personal testimonies, are perhaps the best equivalent we have of ancient tales of universal wonder, of the &#039;miraculous&#039; that apparently underpins our so often problematic existence in this earthly realm. 

Suggesting that ultimately &quot;The Positive&quot; is not only a &quot;myth&quot; but also the almost unbelievable truth? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EliJ0la4Kgw]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the story of a young man granted a lengthy profound insight into what we&#8217;re part of/ what we essentially are, ending with the full healing of a severe, otherwise fatal illness.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s struck me today that these near-death-experiences, although based on actual personal testimonies, are perhaps the best equivalent we have of ancient tales of universal wonder, of the &#8216;miraculous&#8217; that apparently underpins our so often problematic existence in this earthly realm. </p>
<p>Suggesting that ultimately &#8220;The Positive&#8221; is not only a &#8220;myth&#8221; but also the almost unbelievable truth? </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EliJ0la4Kgw" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EliJ0la4Kgw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/10142#comment-110907</link>
		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“If you are to reach the ocean, you will have to become the ocean to a certain extent, because only like can meet like. If God is infinite energy, then de-energized you cannot meet him. If he is vast, and you are depleted you cannot meet him. So at least to some extent become like him. If he is life, how can you journey to him as a corpse? Look around! He is dancing. Flowers are blossoming in him, melodies are pouring from him, and all around life is full of exultation.”
— Osho, .Nowhere To Go But In&#039;, Ch. 3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you are to reach the ocean, you will have to become the ocean to a certain extent, because only like can meet like. If God is infinite energy, then de-energized you cannot meet him. If he is vast, and you are depleted you cannot meet him. So at least to some extent become like him. If he is life, how can you journey to him as a corpse? Look around! He is dancing. Flowers are blossoming in him, melodies are pouring from him, and all around life is full of exultation.”<br />
— Osho, .Nowhere To Go But In&#8217;, Ch. 3</p>
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		<title>By: Nityaprem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nityaprem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can’t say that I’m ever in favour of enhancing stories. It’s moral outrage that seems to start crusades, and if people were just honest and kept things the right size there wouldn’t be any need for it. A lawsuit, not a jihad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can’t say that I’m ever in favour of enhancing stories. It’s moral outrage that seems to start crusades, and if people were just honest and kept things the right size there wouldn’t be any need for it. A lawsuit, not a jihad.</p>
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